To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

The GFA cannot be wished away.
What magical new deal solutions are there that haven't been discussed?

Which is why such an important decision should never have been put to voters( and politicians) who didn’t know what the hell they were voting for. Family
I don't disagree - the entire edifice has been a total shambles - but to visit vile retribution on individual people for expressing a wish when invited to by our government isn't democratic either, it's totalitarian and divisive. The politicians must love the fact they have some many people hating each other for the way they voted rather than looking at the real culprits.

Direct consequences of that type are unknowable

Not really unknowable when people were warned repeatedly by experts in the field before the referendum that these were the risks, and they decided to blindly ignore the warnings and smugly dismiss them because they think they know better.

They broke electorate law and lied over and again knowingly for xenophobic reasons. Franklyvthey deserve everything they get.

Not really unknowable when people were warned repeatedly by experts in the field before the referendum that these were the risks, and they decided to blindly ignore the warnings and smugly dismiss them because they think they know better.

Almost everything about brexit is unknowable. We have all been lied to - a lot.

Surely people can understand that the best way to get a deal is to show we mean business on no deal

That does not solve Northern Ireland and the border.

The EU will be fine. A large economy, open borders and a shared system when it comes to regulations.

We are going to be a minnow in terms of trade with the USA and the EU. The EU will be able to make far better trade deals with other countries than we will.

A massive drop in our potential GDP.
A drop in people wanting to come to this country.

We have fuck all power in this negotiation.

There will almost certainly be protests, but as the ‘people’s vote’ marches have shown, they make everyone feel good about themselves but they don’t actually change anything. Only actual votes, in ballot boxes or in Parliament, do that.

If Parliament retaliated against Boris by going for its nuclear option of voting to unilaterally revoke A50, then there would be riots. Very, very serious ones.

Which is why parliament shouldn’t be shut out in the name of bogus democracy. Democracy has never been involved in this process.

Because you cannot accept the way someone excercised their democratic right? Well I know who are the small minded bigots in this picture.

Wow. So it’s not enough to have a vote, Brexiteers actually feel entitled to have their choice validated as correct by the people who voted to Remain?

That’s not how democracy works hun. You get to vote. You get that vote implemented if possible (ideally you vote for something that is defined and actually possible but apparently it’s not essential). You don’t get to demand people who disagreed with you change their own beliefs to match yours.

If you voted for Brexit in 2016, I will assume you did it for what you believed were the right reasons. You may have been an arrogant twat who thought they knew better than experts but equally you may just be naive and were mislead.

But if you support what’s being done in your name in 2019, if you are a cheerleader for this act of social and economic suicide, then by God I will call you a twat and more. Just cos you “won” a vote doesn’t mean you got it right and your 2016 “win” certainly doesn’t take away my right to believe you got it wrong.

But evidence over feelz. If Brexit is a success for the economic and social health of Britain I will be very relieved and happy to wholeheartedly say Brexit voters were right and I was wrong. I really hope that happens.

I just don’t believe, based on all the evidence and facts I have, that it will. And I’m not going to say otherwise just to save Brexiteers’ feelings.

If you voted out in 2016, fair enough - there were several promises made that would have been appealing to people who were concerned about the NHS or low wages ... but fast forward to now and if you would still vote for Brexit and are happy with our race to No Deal, then that’s something else and I can’t be arsed to be overly friendly with anyone in that group of people.

If you voted for Brexit in 2016, I will assume you did it for what you believed were the right reasons. You may have been an arrogant twat who thought they knew better than experts but equally you may just be naive and were mislead[sic].

Hang on, I'm the arrogant one in this picture? Ok then.

If Parliament retaliated against Boris by going for its nuclear option of voting to unilaterally revoke A50, then there would be riots. Very, very serious ones.

Ah ok. So our elected government should avoid acting in what they consider to be the best interests of the country for fear of the mob? Good to know.

And here was me thinking Brexiteers were all about democracy.

I think since it seems we only have two options, revoke or no deal, this genuinely justifies another referendum to choose between the two. But done properly this time, legally binding with transparency and controls on the campaign.

If Leave win that then the country really does accept No Deal and we should go for it. Otherwise the gap between the 2016 campaign and the 2019 implementation is just going to fester. Lance it now!

But if you support what’s being done in your name in 2019,

Support what? I have never voted Tory in my life. Ironically if my vote had ever counted for anything we'd never have had a referendum. I felt honour bound to express a preference when the vote came. Nothing since that point has made any sense because Cameron never expected to lose.

If we really cannot leave (as in completely) then we should revoke A50. But it's certainly not my fault we had a referendum or that I voted to leave something I do not and have never believed in.

Direct consequences of that type are unknowable

Of course, nobody predicted it at all. Except they did and it's been one of my concerns from day one.

And I'll accept I'm not being entirely reasonable, but I am genuinely scared about what's going to happen. If it was your life, or the life of someone you cared about, at risk, you'd probably be feeling a bit unreasonable as well.

Though lets be honest, we're all screwed anyway with the impending environmental disaster. Another thing where we have to hope we actually start making serious efforts to alleviate the outcome or that the worst case scenarios won't happen (collapse of civilisation in around 30 years isn't it?)

This is all just a distraction from the real issue.

I'm too tired to riot.

:)
A nice cup of tea, now that is what I want

Hang on, I'm the arrogant one in this picture? Ok then.

Not necessarily. You could have been naive and mislead.

Obviously, I am not going to say you were correct, because I don’t think you were. So given that you were wrong, and assuming you didn’t maliciously vote to harm this country, I reckon arrogant or naive pretty much cover it.

l agree that Brexit was "the will of the people."
However, how many of those people actually knew what it would involve? l certainly didn't.
l voted remain for that very reason. Because l had no idea what would happen if we did leave, and thought (probably naively) better the devil we know.
How many of us actually thought it would mean (purely one example) shortages of prescription drugs? As PP have said, people dying for lack of vital medications? l agree with Mrskeats on this one.

Surely people can understand that the best way to get a deal is to show we mean business on no deal?
What leverage does that provide? "Give me what I want or I will poke myself in the eye. Look, I'm doing it, I mean business" Do you mean that the EU won't want to just look on while the UK does something to hurt itself?

Johnson is doing this not to show the EU anything, but to provoke a general election, as he currently has a majority of 1, so can't get anything done. If he provokes a general election, the cards will be shuffled and he is betting on getting more power.

@Onatreebyariver

Let’s not even mention you comparing the Channel Islands who are inside the union, and a UK going full on no deal brexit and therefore being outside the union. It makes no sense but whatever.

What I do take offence at is the patronising ‘you’ll be fine’ and referring to my ‘hysteria’. So typical of the leave rhetoric. I can’t believe people actually say stuff like this.

As I mentioned upthread, my husband lost his job last year due to brexit. We have spend thousands ensuring he (he’s french) can stay in the UK and have been on the receiving end of racist comments on numerous occasions.
So, no, I’m not going to be ok. The last few years have been sheer hell. The shit already hit the fan.

I’m not expecting you to give care; leave voters usually consider this worthwhile collateral damage or avoid responding, because people like me, real people who are actually being affected by brexit, just don’t exist in your mind, do they?
Try leaning outside your bubble for 5 seconds to see the absolute shit storm instead of sitting with your hands over your ears and eyes.

Riots...?! More like loads of FB & forum posts followed by a loud collective 'tut'. Or maybe a sigh.

More like loads of FB & forum posts followed by a loud collective 'tut'. Or maybe a sigh

I don't know. I think there's a lot of anger out there.

Ah ok, so what Farage wants is basically the free trade advantage of being in the EU without the obligations.

And he think the EU will give us a better deal than actual members because....?

And he thinks it’s going to be easier to get this unicorn deal after No Deal (when we have reneged on our obligations and are very much the weaker party) rather than as part of our Withdrawl Agreement because...?

And he thinks it’s better for us to have to meet standards we don’t influence than ones we do because...?

(Cheat notes: he doesn’t. He just knew that applying scrutiny to any deal immediately shows it to be worse than membership and therefore reveals the con that is Brexit.

That is why Brexiteers blocked deals and pushed the conversation into No Deal vs Remain, to hide that uncomfortable truth from the electorate. It was essential to play up the ease of getting a deal before the referendum to con the electorate into thinking Brexit would not lead to economic disruption, but as soon as the vote was won it became essential to prevent any serious progress towards a deal to maintain the con long enough to make Brexit happen.

Exactly! Expecting the EU to give us a better deal than its own members after we choose to leave is ridiculous. But the Brexiteers complain the EU is intransigent, and say, "No deal is better than a bad deal." Then they blame Remainers for the possibility of leaving without a deal! It makes absolutely no sense.

Again and again I get the impression that the leavers on here are furious with us remainers simply because we are out to get them and can’t bear to be on the losing side.

It is not about that at all. It is simply that we cannot stand by and let our country ( which we love) be raped by these profiteers.

Why should I become a refugee from my own country because half of it decided to screw the other half on the basis of cynical, lying money makers.