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To think there will be riots?

853 replies

Anoni · 28/08/2019 10:51

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

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Valanice1989 · 28/08/2019 18:13

The past three years have unfolded shambolically under a Remainer PM and Parliament. I don't understand how anyone can say differently.

Brexiteers have had very little influence in anything up until July.

May's red lines were intended to placate Leave voters, particularly with regard to immigration.

Leave voters absolutely hold responsibility for this mess. I still have not heard a single Leave voter offer a workable solution to the issue of the Irish border. That alone tells me that they did not do sufficient research before voting.

MamaFlintstone · 28/08/2019 18:16

Leave voters (or more accurately Leave politicians) are wholly to blame for this. And if you think No Deal is in any way the end point of Brexit you are deluded. Anyone who wants it all to go away and Remainers to stfu should be calling for article 50 to be revoked, not calling for us to crash out without a deal. We know who is to blame and plenty of us will never stfu about it.

Blibbyblobby · 28/08/2019 18:20

That's why Nigel Farage suggested a "simple free trade" agreement with the EU - surely that's the 'end goal' after a 'no-deal' Brexit anyway?

as non-members they can’t influence standards
Where does he say he wants to influence EU standards?

Ah ok, so what Farage wants is basically the free trade advantage of being in the EU without the obligations.

And he think the EU will give us a better deal than actual members because....?

And he thinks it’s going to be easier to get this unicorn deal after No Deal (when we have reneged on our obligations and are very much the weaker party) rather than as part of our Withdrawl Agreement because...?

And he thinks it’s better for us to have to meet standards we don’t influence than ones we do because...?

(Cheat notes: he doesn’t. He just knew that applying scrutiny to any deal immediately shows it to be worse than membership and therefore reveals the con that is Brexit.

That is why Brexiteers blocked deals and pushed the conversation into No Deal vs Remain, to hide that uncomfortable truth from the electorate. It was essential to play up the ease of getting a deal before the referendum to con the electorate into thinking Brexit would not lead to economic disruption, but as soon as the vote was won it became essential to prevent any serious progress towards a deal to maintain the con long enough to make Brexit happen.

What happens to the UK economy and quality of life afterwards they really don’t give a shit about, Boris because he has won his little Eton debating society game by becoming PM, Farage because his paymasters got their payoff, JRM because he lives in an ideologue’s fantasy so any suffering that is caused by applying his ideology is the fault of the victims just not working hard enough).

PortiaCastis · 28/08/2019 18:24

Farage should be put in the tower or wherever they put nonsensical little gobshites who are all wind and no farts.
He's tried 7 times to be an MP but fortunately sensible voters saw through him

Figmentofmyimagination · 28/08/2019 18:24

Even if we don’t say anything, forever after we will be despising you for your stupidity and for bringing this mess down upon our children.

Already in our family, the standard ‘black joke’ response whenever some stranger is behaving like a twat is ‘I bet he/she voted to leave the European Union’. You can multiply this feeling across the country. Remainers may smile politely to your face, but forever after, we’ll actually be thinking ‘you are a twat’. That’s just the way it is.

leckford · 28/08/2019 18:25

Riots, I doubt it people just want an end to the daily news up dates. Any ‘riots’ will be like the last one, stealing trainers, etc.

familycourtq · 28/08/2019 18:29

That is why Brexiteers blocked deals and pushed the conversation into No Deal vs Remain
Cool story bro, except it wasn't Brexiteers (alone) who scuppered the WA. Look at the numbers.

Songsofexperience · 28/08/2019 18:29

Any ‘riots’ will be like the last one, stealing trainers, etc.

I'm afraid this is somewhat more serious than that.

HelenaDove · 28/08/2019 18:29

#GeneralStrike currently tending on Twitter.

familycourtq · 28/08/2019 18:31

Remainers may smile politely to your face, but forever after, we’ll actually be thinking ‘you are a twat’. That’s just the way it is.

Because you cannot accept the way someone excercised their democratic right? Well I know who are the small minded bigots in this picture.

chomalungma · 28/08/2019 18:33

I am joining in the protests. I feel that this is so important. There is a lot of anger out there and something has to give.

No Deal is not what people voted for. Yet it's being forced on us. I don't know how this country is going to heal - but forcing a No Deal Brexit on us is not going to help at all.

ABy1er · 28/08/2019 18:33

It isn’t democracy when the electorate are lied to.

Blibbyblobby · 28/08/2019 18:35

it wasn't Brexiteers (alone) who scuppered the WA. Look at the numbers.

This isn’t just about the WA, it was the pattern from day 1. I noticed it way before the WA vote.

Onatreebyariver · 28/08/2019 18:36

@Suzeyshoes you can forge your own deal if you wish to (like Guernsey) also be outside the EU yet within the customs union. You'll cope. Australia isn't in the customs union - yet they have fully functioning supermarkets for Christ sake. The hysteria must be exhausting for you to keep up.

familycourtq · 28/08/2019 18:38

It isn’t democracy when the electorate are lied to.
We are lied to before during and after every election why would anyone imagine there would be no lies during a referendum? There were lies on both sides. This news just in, politicians tell lies.

LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses · 28/08/2019 18:39

@familycourtq

Because you cannot accept the way someone excercised their democratic right? Well I know who are the small minded bigots in this picture.

No, because they risked DH's life, and the lives of many other people dependent on medication. Tbh, if DH does die I won't even pretend to be civil to anyone I know voted leave. I'll be asking them to explain to me how it was worth it.

I'm seriously hoping the worst case scenarios for a no deal Brexit don't happen. But if they do I won't be smiling nicely at any of those responsible.

Raynedance · 28/08/2019 18:40

Clavinova I totally agree.
It's all very well talking no deal up, we the UK need to show action.
And that's all this does.
Neither side want no deal but it's been said time and time again you can't negotiate when you're not prepared to walk away.

The problem has been 70%+ of parliament doesn't actually want to leave.

ABy1er · 28/08/2019 18:40

And it isn’t much of a democracy if parties break electorate law.

‘A democracy is only as strong as the elections that set its course’

pikapikachu · 28/08/2019 18:41

Riots? Because he's doing what voters voted for?

Nobody voted for No Deal. In fact many prominent Leavers said that we would Leave with a great deal and that it would be the easiest deal ever to be struck.

Leave won the referendum but includes a spectrum of people from Leave but stay in the Common Market right through to No Deal.

Mamamia456 · 28/08/2019 18:42

Familycourt- What's with the cool story bro nonsense. I swear mumsnet is full of teens these days!

ABy1er · 28/08/2019 18:42

Which is why such an important decision should never have been put to voters( and politicians) who didn’t know what the hell they were voting for. Family

familycourtq · 28/08/2019 18:43

No, because they risked DH's life, and the lives of many other people dependent on medication. Tbh, if DH does die I won't even pretend to be civil to anyone I know voted leave. I'll be asking them to explain to me how it was worth it.

That is a ridiculous way to interpret the vote of any single person in national referendum. Direct consequences of that type are unknowable - you might as well claim that voting for a particular political party directly caused the deaths of people. it's totally ridiculous and unreasonable - it's blinkered, bigoted and discriminatory, and anti-democratic.

pumkinspicetime · 28/08/2019 18:45

There may well be short term supply difficulties for supermarkets as one system of trading gets abandoned and another started.
The longer term issues are more likely to the cost of goods.
Both in how much they cost and what standards you get.
There are a number of different trade offs that can be made but the enthusiasm of both Russia and the hard right in the USA for Brexit should give us pause for thought.

Trade is only one issue. The nationalism in both NI and Scotland is being stoked by this process as well.

Mamamia456 · 28/08/2019 18:45

Figmentofmyimagination - Unless you ask every person you meet which way they voted, you wouldn't know whether they were for leave or remain.

Raynedance · 28/08/2019 18:46

Surely people can understand that the best way to get a deal is to show we mean business on no deal?

It's basic basic stuff!
Surely this should make people happy because we might get a deal now whereas it was impossible before?