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To ask England, Wales and NI if they'd care if Scotland left?

168 replies

user2010202 · 25/08/2019 00:01

Prior to Brexit, I always believed in the UK. After that vote, I no longer feel I belong to the rest of the UK. Clearly Scotland has different visions and hopes for the future.

I don't feel connected to the rest of the UK. I feel we share an island, but clearly we don't share a future. I am happy being European. I'm happy living in a country that embraces difference, and promotes tolerance. But I no longer feel these are UK values, even though I always would have said they were up until a couple of years ago.

So, a few years ago I said no to leaving. Since 2016 I've been kicking myself. But my question is, would those of you in the rest of the UK really care if we left? It currently seems like our differences are irreconcilable and I don't see a long-term solution.

We have a shared past. But I'm not sure I want us to have a shared future.

OP posts:
Morningonthebeach · 25/08/2019 07:50

I don't want the union to break up. The barnet formula does favour Scotland - they'd struggle on their own.

That said I don't think it should be up for debate again for a long time regardless of the mess of Brexit as the Independence referendum gave a result and that answered the question. It doesn't matter that you don't agree with Brexit and might choose differently. So did lots of people all over the Union. Of nothing else it should have taught us that referendums cause massive potential issues.

Ligresa · 25/08/2019 07:50

Agree 100% with turquoisewhale

Scotland really isn't the most tolerant country

And i do wish people would stop getting leaving the EU and leaving Europe confused.

Jurassicmuma · 25/08/2019 07:51

I live in North East England, about 45mins South of the border. I feel closer to Scotland than I do to London with regards to values and views. I've never witnessed any racism towards Scots, but I have felt a pang of upset through comments from Scottish people towards English. I'd hate for Scotland to leave

Hospitalexpert · 25/08/2019 07:53

I’d be really sad. I’m English Live in north east England. I’d be happy for Scottish people not to be saddled with England though.

OtraCosaMariposa · 25/08/2019 07:53

Another Scot who doesn't want independence.

Although Ms Sturgeon likes to grandstand and claim that she is speaking for Scotland, she is representing the political position of those who vote for her only. She doesn't speak for me, never has, never will.

So when she's on telly banging on about what Scotland wants or what Scotland deserves, just remember she's really only speaking about what SNP voters want.

lovelyupnorth · 25/08/2019 07:56

Please can the vote remain areas of England come too?

familycourtq · 25/08/2019 07:56

I am English always thought the SNP talked a lot of sense. In a similar way to people saying Brexit won’t address our issues though, proper independence for Scotland would certainly highlight which bad things are being done to Scotland by England (and I do think there are some) and which are of Scotland’s own making. I say crack on with more local democracy everywhere.

Tonnerre · 25/08/2019 07:58

I'm part Scottish At the time of the first Scottish referendum, I felt strongly that they shouldn't leave the union and would be mad to do so. However, since the referendum my views have changed and I suspect that, if I lived in Scotland, I would be looking to change my vote, particularly if there were decent prospects of Scotland staying in the EU or rejoining on its own. I can quite see why Scottish people don't want to be tied to and dragged down by a country that is indulging in the sheer insanity that is Brexit, particularly since Johnson became PM.

Mintjulia · 25/08/2019 08:00

I wouldn’t like Scotland to leave the UK but I’m not Scottish and it has to be a Scottish decision.

Having said that, the idea was rejected a few years ago, so I guess they’ll leave it at a while before asking again.
Once the Brexit issue is resolved, leave it to settle for a year or two.

Grasspigeons · 25/08/2019 08:04

I'd be gutted. My family have moved between scotland and england for hundreds of years. I understand the country has a seperate vision for the future but on a personal level my 'home' is a political union that would no longer exist.ive lived in both places. I am very sad about leaving the eu too. I thought i wss an eu citizen and it feels odd others can strip me of my citizenship.

Babdoc · 25/08/2019 08:04

I live in Scotland and definitely don’t want independence! The SNP don’t speak for the majority of Scots.
With a 7% deficit, an independent Scotland wouldn’t even qualify for membership of the EU, so rejoining isn’t an option.
We’d face savage austerity to reduce that deficit to anywhere near the required 3% or less.

London and the SE are the only areas of the entire U.K. that run a surplus, and they subsidise the rest of us. It would make more economic sense for London to declare independence than Scotland!

HouseHuntingHetty · 25/08/2019 08:05

I am not Scottish but have lived here for over 20 years.

I voted for independence and would do so again. Why?

Because my country's leader gives speeches like this and has aspirations for social equality that I have never heard from governments in Westminster.

www.ted.com/talks/nicola_sturgeon_why_governments_should_prioritize_well_being/up-next?language=en

BeardedMum · 25/08/2019 08:09

What would happen to the Queen? Would she choose Scotland and leave England too? I thought she always felt most at home in Scotland and Balmoral.

Antigonads · 25/08/2019 08:09

I thought I didn't care during the last referendum but then I was mighty relieved when the vote was to stay.

And Scotland does not compete in the Olympics as a separate nation, whoever said that.

ElleDubloo · 25/08/2019 08:10

OP, I don’t want to see Scotland go, and I don’t want to leave the EU either. I wish everyone would be more inclusive, more collaborative, less racist.

I feel angry that Brexiters have a loud voice and are skewing British politics. Sometimes I wish that people had to pass some sort of intelligence/humanity test before being allowed to vote.

sluj · 25/08/2019 08:15

I don't want the union to break up but we can't keep on with this question for ever. I thought the referendum would sort it out but, no, there are still calls for another referendum from certain voices (sound familiar?)
That's not a way to run a successful relationship, with one partner always threatening to leave if they dont get what they want or constantly criticising. It wouldn't be healthy in a romantic relationship and it's not healthy between countries.
I know a lot of English people who were happy to see Scotland go if the referendum had gone that way. They wanted to stop the "moaning " and "subsidising ", as they saw it. I was very glad when the Scottish people decided to stay but I'm not happy with the current relationship.

Lowlandlucky · 25/08/2019 08:17

As a Scot living in Scotland i would hate to leave the Union. I have lived in England, Nothern Ireland and mainland Europe so I dont subscribe to the s.n.p rhetoric of hating the English and blaming them for everything that has ever gone wrong in Scotland or what is currently a mess (Education, policing, N.H.S, drug and alcohol abuse etc etc etc). We are stronger together. Not everything is Westminsters fault. How can any s.n.p supporter scream for independence, to demand the right to steer our own ship when to be truthful that is not what the want, the want an even bigger, even more undemocratic monster steer our ship ?

tomtom1999xx · 25/08/2019 08:22

Agree with everything Lowlandlucky said.

edsheeranpaidmoretaxthanccola · 25/08/2019 08:26

I want independence and have for most of my life. I'm an SNP supporter and will be till we get independence then I'll decide who is best for Scotland. That could even be a party led by Ruth Davidson if she chooses to lead a party that's sole focus is on Scotland.

Again, I'll say my problem with the Union isn't England or the English - it's Westminster and all the 'stuff' that comes with it.

Ligresa · 25/08/2019 08:27

If Scotland vote for independence then let them crack on.

edsheeranpaidmoretaxthanccola · 25/08/2019 08:28

The SNP have said from the beginning that an independent Scotland will have the choice of rejoining the EU or not. It'll be Scotland's choice.

Ligresa · 25/08/2019 08:29

I think you'll find it will be the EUs choice.

BobbinThreadbare123 · 25/08/2019 08:29

I wouldn't want our union to break up. I am from a Remain area in NW England (very strongly so) and live in another. If the Scots are going, they need to find the money to buy back Cumbria and take us with them!
Having said that, the SNP are vile; they're as bad as all the dickheads at Westminster, just in slightly different ways!

LellyMcKelly · 25/08/2019 08:30

I think NI would be dying to go with you. How about it 😁?

Lowlandlucky · 25/08/2019 08:31

0P you say you are proud to live in a country that "embraces diffrences and promotes tolerance" Not In the Scotland i know, i live in a very prosperous area and vist family who live in what is one of the officially most deprived areas of Europe and my DH has had the most awful abuse thrown at him in shops or on the street once his English accent is heard, he has been called and English cunt in so many times i have lost count, we have been told to "fuck off back to where we came from" more than once and have been spat at in the street and i have been called an English loving whore ! So where you get your "where the most tolerant nation" from i dont know, even our first minister is abusive and dismissive towards our neighbours

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