to think ending Freedom of Movement on Oct 31st is a disaster waiting to happen

[chomalungma]

There are several million settled EU citizens who haven't applied for settled status yet.

What happens to companies who want to recruit foreigners after Oct 31st? What bureaucracy has been set up?

It's a disaster waiting to happen. Will we have people who live here refused entry? Only given a few months on an entry visa?

I hate the country we have become.

And make no mistake, the IRA and UVF never went away. This is the excuse they need to restart their campaigns
You're right they never went away, but they did surrender the majority of weapons, they stayed within the lines required to keep the peace or the GFA.

Some people believe the English are responsible for the latest bomb threats and trouble to take the heat off the border issues and peace process.
I mean if they are already warring the border won't be such an issue.
I personally don't think it.
I was in the North recently you can feel the atmosphere brewing.

For the GFA not or.

@ chomalungma

What, and do these 'elderly people' you're talking about also not have any access to a TV or to friends/ relatives etc ????

There's a HUGE difference between wailing, handwringing and moaning about things we have NO INFLUENCE over, and your assertion that 'some people can just put their fingers in their ears.'

Now if we were to get a GE prior to Oct 19, then I'd be interested ! :)

Otherwise, ...........meh.............

What, and do these 'elderly people' you're talking about also not have any access to a TV or to friends/ relatives etc

You have heard of digital exclusion, being unaware, assuming things will be ok, living alone, isolation etc?

Obviously you know how well social care is at the moment, many elderly people who don't speak to anyone for weeks, who may get a fleeting call from a care agency for 15 minutes a day.

If I was still living in the UK as an Irish citizen born in the republic, I would be applying for Settled Status as a precautionary measure. The Common Travel Agreement is not reliable and given the attitude of the current Tory govt towards Ireland, I would not rely on anything that was not written in stone.

The writer is a Northern Irish born woman who has only ever held an Irish passport (as is her right) and is now being told she has to renounce British citizenship she never had to access EU rights. The article is worth reading in full, but below are the bits that most concern people born in the republic.

medium.com/@ecklewchuk/the-uk-government-is-creating-a-tiered-system-for-irish-citizens-heres-how-b91c3459e09

the Common Travel Area is not the magic fix all wand that some would like Irish citizens to believe.

Firstly, and unlike the EU settlement scheme, the Common Travel Area is not legally binding. It’s a political agreement that does not provide EU rights and entitlements. It’s worth adding the Ireland Act 1949 does not provide EU rights either.

The purpose of the Common Travel Area was to facilitate a passport free zone between Ireland and the United Kingdom. Since the Brexit referendum the CTA has been cited as providing rights and securities that it simply does not provide.

A memorandum of understanding was signed earlier this year to demonstrate both Ireland and the UKs commitment to the Common Travel Area but even this is unenforceable. A non binding agreement that is subject to the whims of a Westminster government.

The intention is for the Common Travel Area to provide access to social security, education, health care, a right to live and work in the UK etc but to date the only legislation has been on social security with the new social security agreement between the UK and Ireland. As it stands today Irish citizens has no legal right to enter the United Kingdom from outside the Common Travel Area. Entry has been based on EU law. Legislation has been tabled to rectify this gap but has stalled

Isn't there a Brexit section for this type of question?

There is. And thanks to MNs let's-not-offend-those-that-shout-the-loudest policy, for the past three years all the possibilities now being discussed here were being discussed there. In private. Well away from anyone ever realising what was happening. Which is why there is now a flood of anxiety amongst the people who didn't delve into it. Medicine shortages ? Discussed in 2017. Fuel shortages ? ditto.

we're currently looking at inhaler shortages, insulin shortages and today HRT medicines have been restricted.

In actual fact, maybe we should hide this thread back in the Brexit section. No one really needs to know too much, obviously.

ahah that famous selfie ! decided to use my loo time to fill my application (maybe there is a hidden message in my action Freud?), and then realised I needed to take a photo...

Application can't be easier if you have the right documents: RFID passport and NI number (which I had both) but I suppose if you only have an ID card so far it can get complicated.
I received confirmation on my status within hours (and after working hours).

Have been lurking and just wanted to say thank you to those showing compassion for our situation at the moment, it really helps. And also mention that on October 19th, there will be a march in Central London, please do come if you can and want to do something about all this. If you don't live in London, there are coaches available. Last hoorah and all that, needs to be big.

catlady3: I'll be there with the fam!!

And full solidarity on this awful predicament.

I counted the EU citizens that I met on one of my days, from colleagues, to librarians, shop assistant, cafe workers... everyone working and making life in this country better and more interesting.

Not to mention that my favourite drink is Italian, my favourite breakfast french, I drive a German car and love Scandi and Italian design and Dutch homeware. My favourite book characters are Finn and I prefer Belgian and Danish beers. And you can't beat Polish art films and desserts.

I feel totally European and I am not going down without a fight.

This is about my identity as much as my EU friend's rights - I am holding firm in my heart the ideals of integration, tolerance, peace and internationalism.

It is so scary, I don't think the government have any idea what they're doing. Complete shitshow.

@ chomalungma

And if you see it as your personal mission to reach all the elderly and those in social exclusion, I wish you all the very best in your endeavours.

I'm still saying that as there is nothing I can actually influence by moaning and wailing, I'll not be joining in with the moaning and the wailing...........Meh :)

There is. And thanks to MNs let's-not-offend-those-that-shout-the-loudest policy, for the past three years all the possibilities now being discussed here were being discussed there.

No it hasn't - there have been eleventh billion Brexit threads in AIBU. And MN has a stated policy of not moving them to the Brexit section unless the OP asks - which is unlikely to ever happen as posters who spam up AIBU with Brexit threads are doing it on purpose.

And if you see it as your personal mission to reach all the elderly and those in social exclusion, I wish you all the very best in your endeavours

Handy I work in that field then, isn't it....

We have a lot of people who come and ask for our help because of digital exclusion. We have had older people come in and ask for help and advice over this, including those who don't have smartphones or relatives or friends to help them.

which is unlikely to ever happen as posters who spam up AIBU with Brexit threads are doing it on purpose

Raising awareness of what's going on in the UK is not a bad thing.

And it's incorrect. MNHQ moved threads when enough people ask for it.

And it's incorrect. MNHQ moved threads when enough people ask for it. Not according to MNHQ - but I'll take your word for it.

I wonder will it work both ways.
All those returned abroad, will they need to apply for residents in the EU.
I imagine they are raging with the strength of the pound in the EU ATM.

I also have to renounce my old citizenship

Yep And when i posted a while ago that my mum was told back in the 60s that she would have to do this i got told that she wasnt trying hard enough/that i must have got it wrong.

If someone has been living in the UK for 40 years give or take do they still need to apply for settled status?

I live quite close to the border and shop regularly there. The border towns are really dependent on southern trade. The last time I was there the atmosphere was changed. I hope that we do not return to violence again.

If someone has been living in the UK for 40 years give or take do they still need to apply for settled status?

Here's a deeper question.

What of someone who moved here in 1962 after marrying a UK citizen, and that UK citizen has since died ?

because that's the position my DF is in, and at the age of 86 (coming up to 87) blind and alone, he's terrified he won't be allowed to be buried next to my DM (who mercifully passed with dementia unaware of all this in 2017. After 55 years of marriage.)

I've said this before, on this very forum, but if anyone wants to understand why I have nothing but contempt for the racist fuckwit cunts that started all this, then there is my reason. I don't often behave in keeping with my Sicilian heritage, but fuck you Brexiteers, and any cunty type that suggests I "get over it" will get a faceful of phlegm as only we Sicilian mothers can deliver.

Palmermonese I am so sorry

No jobs in the EU at under £35k for British workers from 31 October... Let’s hope Brexit isn’t the job-destroying shower for uk workers most sane people expect it to be.

DD’s partner struggled to get any job in U.K. earlier this year until he put an English version of his name on his CV. He is a qualified engineer but only managed to find a NMW job .

@Palermonese So sad.
The thoughtless lack of planning or information is ruining people's life,