to think ending Freedom of Movement on Oct 31st is a disaster waiting to happen

[chomalungma]

There are several million settled EU citizens who haven't applied for settled status yet.

What happens to companies who want to recruit foreigners after Oct 31st? What bureaucracy has been set up?

It's a disaster waiting to happen. Will we have people who live here refused entry? Only given a few months on an entry visa?

I hate the country we have become.

Camomila - it's awful - SIL is from Italy so I know what you mean. Coraggio, amica! It can only get better and if you go through this you'll go through everything.

Hi JasperRising (waves to below historian!) thank you for that - very interesting and, yes, very sad and frustrating.

EEmother my SIL actually found it really difficult and emotionally draining, and she is well-read, has a doctorate from a UK RG university and is computer literate. Not only it's a bureaucratic hassle but, apparently, emotionally is very hard to take. Suddenly you need to prove the right to live in your own home.

Not below , fellow historian - sorry!!

Thanks Jason118 and others.

Mumsnet helps, not just about Brexit, about austerity, about women's rights, about all sorts of things there are to be angry about...I know that other people care too.

Some of you lot would have been suffragettes 100 years ago I'm certain

Jason118 , same here. "They" have the Dunkirk spirit? well, I have the Bastille spirit! Let's see who gives up first, eh?

@Camomila I would ABSOLUTELY have been a Suffragette!

The whole thing is a fucking disgrace with people worried about their status in this country and leaks about potential disruptions to insulin supply. DH said he read there are potentially issue for children’s chemotherapy drugs.no idea where he read that but at this point nothing would surprise me.

What’s getting me is we are all sitting here taking this utter crap and are not out in the streets protesting.

It's as though we've been collectively paralysed.

I hadn't twigged that settled status didn't come with documents. That's astonishing.

@DarkNoise
Well, I have experience of applying both under Non EU and EU immigration route, and I found the latter to be a walk in the park, actually shocked how easy it was.

What’s getting me is we are all sitting here taking this utter crap and are not out in the streets protesting.

I think there's been a general inhibition to talk to people about it IRL. Like worrying about it is some sort of weakness; you know, stiff upper lip and all that...
The truth is, if there is indeed a majority against this unnecessary self-destruction, it will need to make itself known in the next couple of weeks... the later the pushback (and there will be one), the worse it will be.

I hadn’t either OYBBK. My Mum had a little card thing when she came over in the 60’s that we still have. I’m just hugely relieved DD’s partner had the sense to apply early ‘I thought this would happen’ he said earlier whilst attempting to calm me down about it all.

Have said this a number of times but as a Grandchild of the Nazi Generation I know our Grandchildren will not forgive us for not fighting more right now at this critical moment. Collective paralysis is exactly what it seems like.

when people talk about immigration and are unhappy that in a future UK we might have a system which vets people based on their qualifications, skills and finances and how this system will herald a breakdown of society and/or a new immorality, what do you think of the USA/Canada/Australia etc. who all have this system in place?
We started the process of moving to Canada a few years back and discounted the idea in the end, after completing numerous very long application forms. Despite our degrees, qualifications and good finances, Canada need to show that they can't get a Canadian to do the job before they allow an immigrant to do it. It puzzles me why this attitude to immigration is seen as somehow racist, or or the sort of 'idea' linked to UKIP or Tories. I'm not talking about asylum seekers, but people moving to better their overall lifestyle/finances/quality of life.

You still run into the sort of problem that might lead to people being accidentally not allowed back into to the country EE. It might have changed, but from what I remember, there isn’t any paperwork to say you’ve applied for a NINo.

If there is anyone here worried about settled status difficult, don't be. It is incredibly easy on Android. Apple is supposed to be available by the end of year.
It takes few minutes, it will most likely tell you that it needs additional documents so have p60s or council tax ready. These are easiest because it's 1 per year. It's really quick process.
I do agree that it's bullshit that we have no physical proof.

Just so you know. That selfie WILL BE ON YOUR FILE VISIBLE TO ANYONE WHO CHECKS. I didn't realise that and as my little show of annoyment I made morning pre coffee selfie🙄 Need to change it before I need to use it🙄

I don't think there's anything wrong with that attitude to immigration but the language and rhetoric being used is deliberatly provocative imo - 'citizens of nowhere' 'queue jumpers' etc.

Plus, It's not just people coming to the UK, its people having the equal to move to the continent, and millions of people moving between European countries. And of course that whole thing that it's tied up to the free movement of goods and services...but the media makes it sound like it's just a one way flow of people coming to simultaniously take jobs and benefits.

It's a selfie I thought it used passport photos, I just got a new passport and the actually nice looking photo took me ages!

@redlily12

The issue here concerns EU citizens who came to the UK under one set of immigration rules and suddenly are subjected to another completely different set of rules.
YOU at least had the option to give up on moving to Canada. Imagine if you had been able to move there easily and THEN been made to jump through the hoops you didn't like.

My cousin's wife applied for British citizenship a few days after the referendum because she feared this would happen.

My cousin's wife applied for British citizenship a few days after the referendum because she feared this would happen.
She could have applied for the British citizenship only if she held permanent residence for at least 12 months- which meant she had applied for it at least 18 months before the referendum (it took the Home Office 6 months to process PR applications then).

Actually applying via app is not always straightforward. It is simple only if your passport is biometric, mine isn't. So I had to book an appointment in one of their Immigration centres to give my finger prints, and pay £125 for it.
In order to get residence card (my DH is European) I had to apply for private medical insurance, as apparently Home Office fears people like me coming here to use NHS (what a joke considering I come from Israel - a country with one of the most progressive medicine in the world). Me and my DH had to both take the insurance and keep it until we get our British Citizenship (costs us £80 a month). My DH works for Met Police, risking his life everyday so those British t*ats can sleep well at night. We never asked for any single benefit or help from anyone, but still we are the enemy.
At least our children will be born here, as well as have British accent, so no one will ever be able to make them feel the way we feel in the last 3 years.

@Acidburn I am bit confused.
Your DH certainly doesn't need private health insurance. Nor do you. If you are talking about CSI that was completely scrapped after the outrage. And it was only requirement for economically inactive not for workers. My DH is non EU so we went through the residency card too before SS. They don't issue them anymore afaik. If you have RC you might need to change to SS or pre SS.
How the heck did they charge you 125 for taking biometrics? It's 19 and change😮

Have you spoke to someone like immigration advisor? Because it looks to me like you are being ripped off😮

Oh sorry! They do them for EEA FM

@Camomila DM is Italian Shes 83 Been in UK since 1960

After marrying my British dad me , then DB were born in the 70s Ive only ever been to Italy twice at the ages of four and ten and i dont speak Italian at all. DM does not have citizenship because she was told back then she would have to renounce Italy to get it.

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/17356675.bradford-italians-gripped-by-brexit-fear/

Dark Noise Yet, I am on a register in Belgium and have a certain type of ID card to show my status here. What is so different? Perhaps we need to introduce ID cards in the UK?

In case it wasn't already clear, this is further proof that the government's brexit strategy is an unachievable bluff. (Also proof that the Patel woman is a fucking knobhead.)