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Original poster

To think the government are trying to double bluff their way out of no deal Brexit

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Bearbehind · 20/08/2019 07:45

  • ‘Leaked’ assessments of the impact of no deal which they then under play
  • Insisting FOM will end immediately on 1st November
  • Refusing to publish other assessments on impact

It’s all sounding to me like it’s designed to get Leavers to actually start to get concerned about no deal to then give the government an excuse to back down on it.

I can’t see it working though; Leavers aren’t going to accept any of the consequences as anything other than Project Fear

I can’t wait to see how Johnson finds his way out of this one.

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BunchMunch · 20/08/2019 07:48

I'm inclined to agree. Or possibly the idea is for a second referendum and hope that the public now vote remain after the mess so far, all the doom and gloom forecasts etc.

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Bearbehind · 20/08/2019 11:45

Just me and 1 other then! 😂

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PullingMySocksUp · 20/08/2019 11:47

I don’t think they’re clever enough to plan anything like that.

TeaKettleBell · 20/08/2019 11:47

So, I’ve heard they are pushing the option of No Deal to break the momentum of the Brexit party etc so Bojo can assure a Conservative majority when the election is called shortly.

bellinisurge · 20/08/2019 11:50

I think Johnson is trying to soften Leavers up to accepting my preferred compromise- border in the sea.
Or he's just running us over a cliff.

tequilasunrises · 20/08/2019 12:35

Just seen about FOM ending

I’ve got an Italian friend who is part way through his engineering PHD at uni here. He planned to stay here and work after - will he have to leave?!

GCAcademic · 20/08/2019 12:42

Tequila - the situation in for students and staff at universities is worrying. I have academic colleagues from EU countries who are currently on sabbaticals overseas - they don’t know whether they’ll be able to come back when their sabbatical finishes, despite the fact that they have (had?) permanent jobs here. And what about the tens of thousands of EU students currently here? Will they need to apply for visas mid-way through their courses, with the possibility that they might be declined?

tenredthings · 20/08/2019 12:46

Tory elites playing poker with our futures. They have lived such privileged lives they have zero concept and little care of the unfolding dire consequences of their actions.

BoneyBackJefferson · 20/08/2019 12:50

Bearbehind

You missed the word "some" out of your post.

Some leavers are already concerned and didn't want a no deal situation and some leavers are not.

akerman · 20/08/2019 12:53

If it were just Johnson doing this, I'd think, yes, it was a double-bluff. But would rabid hardliners like Rees-Mogg and Patel be party to that? But it's all very odd. And suddenly coming out with the idea of raising pension age to 75. It's as if they want (even more) people to hate them.

HollowTalk · 20/08/2019 12:53

I agree with you - except I don't think they're clever enough for that.

On Saturday night I was with a friend and we were worrying like crazy about all this, and then I thought, "Boris won't be worrying. He'll be at a dinner party and when someone says, 'What the hell are you going to do?' he'll reply, 'Fuck knows' and they will all laugh."

That's the thing - they will all be alright, whatever happens. We won't.

RosiePosiePuddle · 20/08/2019 12:57

I see it as Boris Johnson, or who ever pulls his strings, wants to hold the conservative party together. That appears to be their underlying plan.

I think they want either parliament, the public or the judiciary to put the brakes on no-deal so that they can claim that they wanted it but were foiled - and that way they see off the Brexit party. But if it does look like no-deal is going to happen, they squeeze a general election in just before, then ride out the next 5 years. Hopefully (in their view), the worse will be over and they can get elected again.

The tories have never cared about what is for the good for the average person or the majority of the population. If it coincides with what they want, or enables them to get elected again, all good. How else do you explain the majority of them voting for remain, then becoming leavers after the referendum, then becoming no-dealers after May went?

4cats2kids · 20/08/2019 13:00

I agree. The government leavers have totally shagged themselves in their own arses with their project fear bollocks. Now leavers will just think everything is project fear or fake news and won’t believe the shit storm that’s coming until they see it.

4cats2kids · 20/08/2019 13:05

The bastards in charge can fly abroad for food and medicines. It will be the rest of us that suffer. They probably don’t give a shit about how their power grab for the Tory party turns out as all the rich buggers will be fine.

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Bearbehind · 20/08/2019 13:12

I don’t think they’re clever enough to plan anything like that.

I actually think BJ is. His special gift is squirming out of things - that’s why I’m convinced this is all part of a plan to get out of no deal.

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akerman · 20/08/2019 13:12

The lure of disaster capitalism also frightens me a great deal. If only parliament would pass a law against any member of parliament benefitting personally from Brexit as an individual or through their financial companies, then I reckon we'd see far less support for it. In fact it would disappear.

Confusedbeetle · 20/08/2019 13:21

The idea that we would never contemplate a No Deal handed the negotiations to the EU on plate and then they used the Backstop also. Johnson wants a deal without the Backstop. If not it will be a no deal. This is the message that should have been given 2 years ago. If the EU genuinely want a deal it is there. If we have to have a no deal we will cope with it. He has made it clear he would prefer a deal. He is saying what Theresa May was not strong enough to say. I am not sure why I think my opinion might be accepted on MN but needed to balance the books a little. The reports describing the No deal issues are just that, what needs to be done to iron out the issues. I hear what you are all saying and you are entitled to feel that way. It just happens that I agree to differ so no trolling please.

Confusedbeetle · 20/08/2019 13:23

FOM will never be completely finished

StealthPolarBear · 20/08/2019 13:24

I hope so op

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Bearbehind · 20/08/2019 13:26

If the EU genuinely want a deal it is there

Where?

There is no other deal possible with the red lines the UK have defined.

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ArfArfBarf · 20/08/2019 13:26

He’s bet everything that the EU will cave on the backstop to prevent no deal. He has to appear negligently complacent about the consequences of no deal or they’ll no it’s a bluff.

Having said that, I think an “accidental” crash out is pretty likely at this stage.

akerman · 20/08/2019 13:43

If he wants a deal without the backstop, then he has to come up with a viable alternative. He hasn't. Why is it up to the EU, who never wanted this in the first place, to find the solution to Johnson scrapping the backstop, which was the UK's idea and for which he himself voted?

akerman · 20/08/2019 13:44

What do you mean confused that they 'used the backstop'? The UK came up with the idea of the backstop?

DippyAvocado · 20/08/2019 13:48

I agree with you but I also think they are so incompetent that we will end up crashing out by accident.

If anyone had said at the time of the referendum that this is what would end up happening, nobody would have believed it.

GodDammitAmy · 20/08/2019 14:03

If the EU genuinely want a deal it is there

We're negotiating our terms to leave, we're the ones that need a deal. Not the EU.

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