To think the government are trying to double bluff their way out of no deal Brexit

[Bearbehind]

• ‘Leaked’ assessments of the impact of no deal which they then under play

• Insisting FOM will end immediately on 1st November

• Refusing to publish other assessments on impact

It’s all sounding to me like it’s designed to get Leavers to actually start to get concerned about no deal to then give the government an excuse to back down on it.

I can’t see it working though; Leavers aren’t going to accept any of the consequences as anything other than Project Fear

I can’t wait to see how Johnson finds his way out of this one.

I'm sick of hearing about no deal as if that was an end point

I know!!! Like, then the UK's going to be all, "Look what you made me do" and the EU is gonna be sorry!

More like the UK will be up shit creek with nobody to blame but itself

Why do we have to ditch human rights if we leave the EU
You tell me! It's what getting rid of the 'backstop' and BA does.

@BoneyBackJefferson , then I assume you are lobbying your MP and the PM. Rather than having a go at randoms on MN who voted Remain in the referendum.

if leave had been based on no deal from the start, it wouldn’t have won

What is the point of that statement? Might as well say IF Boris Johnston had been PM at the last election he would have done a better job than TM and so would have had a massive majority.

Or IF the remain campaign hadn't been based on Project Fear then Leave would have won by an even bigger majority.

Or if 'remoaners' had respected the result of the referendum then TM would have been able to negotiate a better deal.

What we do know is the leaders in both campaigns did specify that a vote to leave meant leaving the SM and CU. What we do know is that some people wanted a deal but ALL leavers voted to leave after 2 years.

Its all ifs and buts.

But we also know that the official Vote Leave campaign, led by Johnson, Gove, Stuart, specifically promised a deal in its leaflet.

And that leaflet also stated that the UK would remain part of the EU/EEA free trade area.

bellinisurge

I can do both, multitasking don't cha know.

woman19
You tell me! grin It's what getting rid of the 'backstop' and BA does.

You are asking the wrong leaver, I don't want no-deal nor do I want a hard brexit.

I posted upthread what my preference is, and it would not affect human rights and its only effect on the backstop would be that we wouldn't need one.

havent read all the messages, but this is just crap negotiating from boris. He's got himself boxed in a corner now, just as May did - you cant have "absolutes" if you want a negotiation. Sadly I think the only person Boris cares about is Boris - this is all about his career, and how he can stay in power. He has no plan, no morals. I cant believe this is happening in the UK.

newstart1337

What we do know is the leaders in both campaigns did specify that a vote to leave meant leaving the SM and CU.

Not actually true. (As the remainers are so happy to repeat) it was pretty much about how easy a deal would be and the leaflets stated that we would/could stay in the SM and CU. (although various MPs from other countries stated otherwise).

What we do know is that some people wanted a deal but ALL leavers voted to leave after 2 years.

Again not entirely true as no date was fixed to enact article 50. So it would be more correct to say that

'What we do know is that some people wanted a deal but ALL leavers voted to leave 2 years after article 50 was enacted'

and even then all leavers could be replaced with some leavers as some were happy to extend so that a better deal could be negotiated..

It’s literally pointless discussing this with boney as she just feels the need to split hairs for the sake of it.

Well today’s events are interesting - and have hardened my opinion that this is all a bluff to actually prevent no deal

Goodness know how though?