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The knives are out for the royal family

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justasking111 · 19/08/2019 14:26

It may be deserved in some cases, however it would seem the gloves are off as far as the media are concerned. They have lived high on the hog for centuries so what is new?

Am scratching my head here is it shoot the royal family season or a smoke and mirrors exercise designed to distract us from something more important??

I would hate to be in the PR business with the RF just now.

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Gobbolinocat · 19/08/2019 18:22

Looking back at history, royals have been mixed up with very dodgy characters.

None has so openly fratinsed with child sex offender, had arm around young girl now known to be groomed child a
Exploitation victim, and the new video footage.
I really can't blame brexit for this or anything else expect lay it at the feet of Andrew.

Passthecherrycoke · 19/08/2019 18:22

I don’t really think harry and Megan are that important tbh, they have had lots of attention the last 18 months for their wedding and baby but now Andrew and Epstein has hit and shit got real.

Winterlife · 19/08/2019 18:22

I don’t understand why people seem surprised that MM has an actual personality & views of her own

I don't think that's the issue. It's the hypocrisy displayed, by both her and PH.

Gobbolinocat · 19/08/2019 18:23

Agree op, they can't get away with the hypocrisy anymore.

It's galling

IcedPurple · 19/08/2019 18:23

I don't think Andrew can be extradited to the US.

No chance.

Also, don't the royals have diplomatic immunity? I know that can be waived, but no way it would be for the queen's favourite son.

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justasking111 · 19/08/2019 18:23

Re: these hedonistic islands. Ordinary people built the houses, temples, ordinary people served food and drink, made beds, cleaned and swept these places, yet not a whisper from the locals.

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Gobbolinocat · 19/08/2019 18:24

Pass cherry I agree.
Cringing that they lecture us and get jets but what Andrew is involved is is actually morally depraved.

Very different levels of 'crime'.

SeriouslyEnoughAlreadyRantOver · 19/08/2019 18:24

That's why people respect the queen. None of us has a clue what she thinks about... well, anything. And that's how it should be.

but that's exactly why the Queen belongs to another era.

Nothing wrong with a modern Meghan marrying Harry but respectfully staying modern and herself. Things change, people make changes happen.

Diana caused quite a lot of noise in her own time - she married very young, but she didn't stay a shy and quiet person all her (short) life.

Heartofgoldheadofcabbage · 19/08/2019 18:24

@Winterlife well there you go, a misquote for a misquote!

SeriouslyEnoughAlreadyRantOver · 19/08/2019 18:26

Speaking about Andrew, It's not the first very unpleasant scandal we hear about a member of the royal family. Nothing ever happened, people forget and move on.

NewStarterPack · 19/08/2019 18:28

I think the UK should have a referendum on the RF now. I think they have had their day and there is no room in modern day society for this kind of thing. Whilst have a RF and aristocracy we will never shake off the shackles of a class system. They are basically the top end of it.

Other countries do well enough without a RF when it comes to tourism, generating business etc. Palaces and history will still bring in the tourists like they do in France.

On one hand we are striving for equality in our country and on the other we have a family that we have to courtesy too. Seriously, this has had it's day and it is now time for a republic.

IcedPurple · 19/08/2019 18:29

but that's exactly why the Queen belongs to another era.

No, it's why royalty belongs to another era. It will struggle hugely in the next generation.

Nothing wrong with a modern Meghan marrying Harry but respectfully staying modern and herself. Things change, people make changes happen.

Harry and Meghan are fairly minor in the royal scheme, and will become ever more minor as the years pass. They are not going to change anything.

And royalty by definition is not modern. If people support it, it's precisely because it is a link to the past and an ongoing tradition. Nobody wants fake 'woke' royals lecturing us before getting the secretary to book the next private jet.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/08/2019 18:29

Diane was a 19 year old pushed into an arranged marriage. Whereas I think MM rather pushed her way in at age 36, quite determinedly and quite voluntarily. She knew exactly what she was doing.

This is one of the reasons why she is not much loved. For many she is seen as an interloper even before her ethnic origin is discussed. I really do want to like H&M but I’m struggling with their “American” behaviour when they are first and foremost representatives of this country and their wokeness. Sadly when I read threads like this I do get negative feelings toward Meghan.

As for Andrew. If he slept with this woman when she was 17, it’s only not ok if she was forced or coerced in some way. The behaviour of Epstein makes me think of a post on a thread yesterday, where the poster described how when she was younger she was propositioned to be flown to a hotel once a month to basically prostitute herself for a bunch of expats on a jolly. She was truly frightened and managed to escape them unscathed.

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justasking111 · 19/08/2019 18:29

We cannot know how much influence a woman marrying into a royal dynasty actually has. On here daily we read of women married to men who behind closed doors are quite different from their public persona.

Imagine the conversation.

Wife. I do not think we should do that it will backfire on you.

Husband. That is the way it is done and has always been done in my family.

Wife. OK.

Diana had a handle on it for a time.

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Gobbolinocat · 19/08/2019 18:30

Seriously, in the current climate, Savile, Jackson, Rotherham, epstein, weinstein, I really don't think if anything else comes out Andrew could be protected.

In the past it could have gone away, in fact the first time round it didn't gain as much traction. I think re epstein it's the tip of the ice berg.

SeriouslyEnoughAlreadyRantOver · 19/08/2019 18:31

Nobody wants fake 'woke' royals lecturing us before getting the secretary to book the next private jet.

I don't disagree, I just don't understand why the hatred specifically against Meghan and Harry. The others are just as bad, have been very vocally hypocritical repeatedly in the past. Why is everyone suddenly in uproar against Meghan and Harry, when they are - at worst - just as bad as any of the others.

if nothing else, apparently Meghan was seen too much before she had her baby. It's ridiculous.

IcedPurple · 19/08/2019 18:34

The others are just as bad, have been very vocally hypocritical repeatedly in the past.

In terms of 'do as I say, not as I do' hypocrisy, I'm not sure anything comes even close to preaching to the plebs about the environment one day, and then a very short time later taking (allegedly) 4 private jets in the space of a few weeks.

I don't disagree, I just don't understand why the hatred specifically against Meghan and Harry.

Again with trying to dismiss justified criticism of public figures with the 'hatred' thing. Yawn. Here's the thing: If you don't want to be accused of being a massive hypocrite, then don't be a massive hypocrite. Not really that hard.

Cyclemad222 · 19/08/2019 18:35

Those paparazzi photos are from 2010 I believe. The papers have had them for ages but chose not to print. No way the photographer only sold them now.

They've probably got lots of other stuff they'll wheel out when they see fit.

derxa · 19/08/2019 18:35

Speaking about Andrew, It's not the first very unpleasant scandal we hear about a member of the royal family. Nothing ever happened, people forget and move on. I think this scandal will be hard to forget

JenniR29 · 19/08/2019 18:45

‘Speaking about Andrew, It's not the first very unpleasant scandal we hear about a member of the royal family. Nothing ever happened, people forget and move on‘

‘Scandal’ is a word you’d use for say an extra marital affair, it does not apply to playing a role in an international child sex trafficking ring.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/08/2019 18:45

The press had absolutely nothing to see about his donning a Nazi costume, his naked shenanigans in Las Vegas, or his use of a certain term to describe one of his comrades in arms of South Asian descent
No, absolutely nothing at all. Not a word

Please tell me you're joking? Even if you're too young to remember the press comments on all these things, much of it's still there if you Google

I sometimes wonder what the point is of posting things like this, when they can instantly be shown not to be so Confused

Pamplemousecat · 19/08/2019 18:48

@Puzzledandpissedoff. Read the post with an ironic tone.

IcedPurple · 19/08/2019 18:49

*Please tell me you're joking? Even if you're too young to remember the press comments on all these things, much of it's still there if you Google

I sometimes wonder what the point is of posting things like this, when they can instantly be shown not to be*

I would have thought it obvious that my post was meant to be sarcastic, but clearly it wasn't obvious enough for some.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 19/08/2019 18:51

They have been completely tone deaf recently.

I really don’t think it will outlast Charles as king.

Steppenwolverine · 19/08/2019 18:52

H&M's PR team really are a car-crash. Just seen that Elton John is now telling the media that he paid for the private jet for their visit to his luxury villa and made an 'appropriate contribution' to a carbon footprint fund.

Talk about tone deaf. You couldn't make it up!