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To think giving a young child have a cold shower as a punishment isn't acceptable

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InkedGreen · 19/08/2019 10:23

The SJs have said they give their children cold showers as a punishment, and there's evidence to suggest this has been going on for years (in video I'll post below). All the 2 year old did was take out poo from her nappy when she was in her cot. Isn't this expected if she's potty training and is uncomfortable in bed?

They've deleted the video (a copy is below) and said it wasn't cold and just lukewarm and deleted and blocked anyone that questions them.

Is this a normal punishment for anyone else? Lots of their fans are thanking them for a good idea!?

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EsmeeMerlin · 19/08/2019 15:14

I really do think there needs to be more legislation protecting children on YouTube. There is no guild lines for safeguarding when YouTube stars show questionable parenting and there is no legislation on how much children can be filmed and how much is shared about them online. They are also used for ads. These children are filmed all the time and have everything about them shared. They have never had any privacy so when this girl is a teenager all the kids at school can find out everything she did in a nappy at 2.

I think in 10 years time there will be some damaged children and then people will finally realise there needs to be rules in the use of children in YouTube videos.

DelphicOracle · 19/08/2019 15:14

But this is the thing... its not like a smack on the hand or shouting when you loose your rag, is it? Smacking you kids when they have tried to run in the road might not be right, but its a knee jerk reaction quite often in a stressful circumstance.

This video shows her saying its been happening for a while and we've tried everything and we think we've found something that works. Which means when she is discovered, it might be minutes / half an hour after she has done it (so not like a child trying to run in the road). Then - what she is doing isnt "naughty or bad or even wrong". She is a child who is developing so its the parents reaction to it that deems it to be wrong....

So it isnt a knee jerk reaction, it isnt something they did in anger or haste, or as a gut reaction to a dangerous situation (looks like the might have researched punishments or ways to get it to stop). So it is a cold calculating thing to do. They walk in her room after the nap - get her out the cot, undress her, carry her to the bathroom, put her in the shower and then turn it on cold. All the while telling her how awful her behaviour is. This is why it is abuse. Its calculated to cause her distress, whilst they are calm enough to do a fucking internet post about it

Anerak · 19/08/2019 15:15

Is this real? If so it's awful. I was once given a cold shower as a child when I had a tantrum and it reallh affected me deeply. I still remember the fear and sadness and shame I felt.

Anerak · 19/08/2019 15:25

Normally I am against these threads but this is really terrible. I read the link to what that other blogger wrote about them. What poor children being subjected to cold showers. My blood runs cold thinking of their pain

whattodowith · 19/08/2019 15:26

No idea who they are but this is abuse.

Doyoureallyneedtoask · 19/08/2019 15:26

Its calculated to cause her distress, whilst they are calm enough to do a fucking internet post about it

My thoughts exactly. It’s stomach churning.

When the little girl replied that she had a cold shower but didn’t know why, it is distressing viewing.

The little boy said it’s because you were naughty so this is a regular punishment for certain behaviour.

Previous episodes included the older girl saying if her dolls are naughty she will give them a cold shower

And in another episode the mum’s sister asked if the children were having a ‘warm’ shower that evening to which Anna seemed to find funny.

It is obviously a very regular thing. The fact every speaking member of the family has referenced it, shows how normalized it has become.

Mylittlepony374 · 19/08/2019 15:29

This is fucking horrible. She knows it's cruel and she's still doing it. Utter utter cunts.

MabelMoo23 · 19/08/2019 15:32

@mylittlepony yep, that sums it, they are utter cunts. It's abusive behaviour and they should absolutely be called out on it

IrishGal21 · 19/08/2019 15:38

The one time the DM should pick up on a thread....

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InkedGreen · 19/08/2019 15:43

The disgusting thing is their video where they accused people of being trolls for reporting them to the SS got picked up by all the papers for good publicity for them. This story that shows child abuse no one has touched.

So glad so many people stuck up for this thread so MN didn't just delete it. It's really important!

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summersherewishiwasnt · 19/08/2019 15:43

Ffs using dogs for attention is in no way the same as using heir kids.

Chillisauceboss · 19/08/2019 15:59

This is absolutely heartbreaking and I hope they are truly ashamed and face serious repercussions. It's made me feel quite sick to be honest just imagining doing that to my child. Horrific

Chillisauceboss · 19/08/2019 16:00

@IrishGal21 I'm also hoping the Daily Mail picks up on this

PastelPotential · 19/08/2019 16:03

What struck me in particular in the trolls vlog, it was all about them.

How their business had been affected, how they'd been upset, how it had damaged their mental health etc, his anxiety and clinical depression. Hardly a mention of the children, except when the woman said she often screams at her children (ace parenting, dear) they barely got a mention.

bluegirlgreen · 19/08/2019 16:04

Very weird! Sounds like something that happened in workhouses in the 1800s!

DadCanIHaveAZedgie · 19/08/2019 16:12

Fucking vile. Utter arseholes. It is cold, calculated and abusive.

Mummyjsa · 19/08/2019 16:22

I’ve commented on another post about this but will again here.
It’s absolutely disgusting and not only have they used a cold shower as punishment, they are comfortable enough to share it in a video. Only deleting that section of the video when backlash threatened their brand deals and bad publicising!! It’s disgusting that they sell their children’s privacy for an easy life and a big mansion so they don’t have to work, but this is just awful.

Tinyandpetite · 19/08/2019 17:46

Absolutely vile and cruel, I can’t believe they think think that’s acceptable

SaddleGoose · 19/08/2019 19:54

I watched their videos for about a year and then I started to get bored of the endless clickbait. However, I always thought they were good parents and felt sorry for them for all the shit they get. I can't believe they've done this and it seems they've been doing it for a while! The eldest is 6/7 and she role played giving her dolls a cold showers as a punishment in a video a couple of years ago.

Awful thing to do to your children and now I'm questioning everything they do. They talk about trolls affecting their mental health..the risk to their children..so why don't they stop?! He is quite skilled in graphic design, he would be able to get a job. But I guess exploiting your children pays more. It's just awful and those kids will grow up hating them if they're not careful.

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InkedGreen · 19/08/2019 22:49

I used to support them a few years ago, but it's been apparent for a while all is not right with them and the "trolls" are right to speak up.

Sadly they have so many die hard fans that are even defending the cold showers and quoting studies that say the benefit of them. But not as a punishment for children!

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InkedGreen · 28/08/2019 13:49

What's worrying is they've gagged anyone from now talking about the video that they chose to make public!

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EverTheConundrum · 28/08/2019 14:02

Here's a link to a petition to have them investigated for child abuse chng.it/fxKkw2SjyG

Doyoureallyneedtoask · 28/08/2019 14:26

I don’t follow them but I read that they are having all Internet posts referring to the cold shower punishment removed. I read their agency is behind it. I don’t understand how they can technically do this when the SJ made this information public themselves originally? How does a YouTuber have so much sway legally to do this or are their solicitors sending letters threatening legal action?

Surely they (or any other blogger) couldn’t proceed with any action based on info they put on the internet themselves?

Something smells fishy about them.

thebear1 · 28/08/2019 14:38

Its vile, why would you even think of it? Several instagramers and a pod cast have passed comment, then had to delete the content.

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