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To think an American/Canadian childhood seems nicer than a British one?

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WilsonandJackie · 16/08/2019 06:21

I know I probably am BU as stuff like this will always be a "grass is greener" situation and I can't judge a place based on a holiday (have just returned from 10 days visiting a friend and her husband who moved to Pennsylvania 9 years ago) but I really did notice some things while I was there that have me wondering. I know America has it's issues like the UK with poverty etc and is in an absolutely dire state at the moment politically but I was amazed at how different the children and teenagers over there's lives seem to be.

My friend's live in a suburban neighbourhood outside a big city. The neighbourhood kids (know I shouldn't judge it it over one neighbourhood I spent 10 days in but I live in a neighbourhood of a similar socioeconomic class in the UK which is nothing like this) seemed to be living such an idyllic childhood. Kids out playing on bikes on the roads, climbing trees, building dens, in and out of each others houses. I didn't think kids that age did that anymore, it was like a flashback to the 80s and it felt quite lovely. We're talking kids who are 12-14 years old. They seem on a completely different planet to kids in the UK of the same age. I'd see them riding their bikes to school each morning and they looked genuinely happy, in their own clothes rather than a depressing formal uniform (I hate uniforms with a passion, much prefer the system of a dress code). There were some kids who were smoking weed I admit, but it just looked a different apmostphere. They weren't in tracksuits standing outside a corner shop and intimidating people (yes I see this every day in the UK in my "naice" area, didn't see it once in the US), they just seemed to be laughing with their friends in their gardens.

My friends have 2 kids (girl 16 boy 14), they are completely Americanized and you'd have no idea they were born in Yorkshire. The DD drives now and has a job in a diner, so she earns her own wage. Her school finished in June and isn't back until September, so gets 3 months to let her hair down. While we were visiting her and her friends ended up renting a minivan and all drove to a spot 2 hours away (it's meant to be a sort of mountain range with outstanding natural beauty) to camp. Yes there was probably booze and maybe bud, I'm not oblivious, but the pictures seemed lovely. Gorgeous scenery, campfire etc. They all returned next morning and her friend gave her a lift to work on her way to her own shift. Her brother is very sporty and his friends were round a lot practising basketball in the back yard and then they jumped on their bikes to go to another house. Both kids and their friends seem so carefree and happy. In a way they seemed more independent than teens I'm used to, but also seemed to have had more of a childhood. The schools looked nicer, I know there's still bullying and badly behaved kids etc but none of the schools we droved past looked like the ones I'm used to. I'm used to crumbling concrete blocks that haven't had any money spent on them since 1973 and kids in grim uniforms walking in looking like clones of each other. Whenever I see kids walking to school at home they always look so bloody depressed. I think the middle school system is fab. Why are we chucking kids who may have only just turned 11 into a huge building with kids who may be nearing 17 and expecting them to get on with it? They go from being the oldest, the "big kids" in primary to suddenly being chucked into secondary with no transistion. No wonder they feel under so much pressure to grow up quickly. I'd have paid for my kids to do a middle school system. My 2 boys high school experience along with my own were horrendous. They were both under so much pressure by Year 9 and had no energy to do anything. For 2 years every other bloody word was "GCSE". Even in the holiday's they just wanted to rest. Only went out with friends to KFC or to doss in someone's living room and have a takeaway. Meanwhile my friend's DS at 14 still plays out and lives and breathes his basketball. DS's both insist a kid who was always playing football would have got bullied and teased in their school.

The UK just seems depressing, and my friend's have said the same. My friend's own words were "You couldn't pay me to take my kids back to the UK now. There's so many more oppurtunities for them over here and they are both so much happier than I remember being at their age. We are never coming back." I still love the UK, and would never move to the US because of stuff like Trump and the godawful healthcare system etc. But forgetting stuff like that and just thinking about the kind of apmostphere I'd want to raise DC in, I'd choose the US any day of the week. I've heard of many people who have gone to the US and Canada with kids and have stated that their kids are doing amazing there. My friends knew another family who emigrated to Canada and eventually the parents came back but the DC (late teens who had been there 5 years) downright refused.

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whotheeff · 16/08/2019 09:07

The political climate is toxic. In 2016 I campaigned for the Democrats and my sign was stolen from my yard. I lived in an affluent neighborhood and when I posted my concern over it's theft on our neighborhood website I was attacked by many Republican neighbors. I've never experienced anything like it and it was the beginning of the end of our life there.

Passthecherrycoke · 16/08/2019 09:08

“I have a few young relatives who have worked at Camp America and they say a huge proportion of the kids they look after are on some form of medication for their mental health.”

It’ll be like that here in 10 years I reckon. I don’t think we’re any different in this respect- just “behind” in it’s acceptability

Henlie · 16/08/2019 09:08

Agree with everything @CherryPavlova said!

whotheeff · 16/08/2019 09:09

Oh and my children were in daycare from 3 months old. They're fabulous and well adjusted social kids but I'll always have a tinge of guilt and regret that I didn't have longer at home with them as babies.

grumiosmum · 16/08/2019 09:10

The political climate is toxic

To be fair, it's not great here at the moment! As my US friends like to remind me when I criticise Trump on social media ...

DH refuses to have a pro-EU sticker in his car in case it gets keyed ...

MsTSwift · 16/08/2019 09:11

Having hosted teen girls for years the country that is doing something right is Holland. Friendly assertive confident girls. Over and over again it can’t be just coincidence. So different to their Italian and Spanish counterparts who are largely meek, secretive and don’t deal with adults well much like Brits - Nb this is massive generalisation but I have been hosting nearly a decade now and can’t help noticing patterns.

whotheeff · 16/08/2019 09:12

@grumiosmum totally lol - we're out of the frying pan into the fire - but it does seem less hateful here - over there it's ratcheted up to a degree of malice that is just awful to live with

edgeofheaven · 16/08/2019 09:14

And Ina Garten and her Head of Dept bumbling Jeffery who is just an idiot.

Are you serious? Jeffrey is a professor at Yale and Ina worked in the White House!

grumiosmum · 16/08/2019 09:14

whotheeff One of my dear (Democrat) US friends had to leave Facebook because some close members of her family were pro-Trump and posting hate-filled bile that she could not bear to see.

Oblomov19 · 16/08/2019 09:19

Edge I'm well aware of Jeffrey's job. He still comes across as a bumbling idiot. Sorry. Grin

edgeofheaven · 16/08/2019 09:26

@Oblomov19 massively disagree, they're doing a light cooking show and they play "characters" of themselves. And you didn't say he seems like an idiot, you said he is an idiot. He is blatantly not.

If a nation is judged by its television programs then let's not tell anyone about Love Island shall we.

Ponoka7 · 16/08/2019 09:27

I'm part native American and have first nation people on my FB, some I'm distantly related to. If it wasn't for Canada taking my Great-great-grandmother in, my Grandfather wouldn't be alive, so there's that. However there's a lot of murders of first nation people in Canada. They are more likely to be murdered than any other group.

One that's stayed with me from this year is a teenage girl who was beaten to death by fellow schoolgirls. These fellow schoolgirls were the typical white, all-Canadian, do no wrong types. It wasn't even being treated as murder until is went on SM. But no charges have been brought against anyone, not even the people who filmed and uploaded the video of her death.

The Nigerians flooding Canada are being treated marginally better than first nation people. There's a big drive to repopulate and get workers from Nigeria/Ghana.

whattodowith · 16/08/2019 09:28

Oh yes I would love the fear of my DC being shot and killed every time they went to school, sounds awfully fun.

Andysbestadventure · 16/08/2019 09:31

Canada yes. Vancouver yes. Vancouver Island yes. USA? Not a chance in hell.

jlgsy94 · 16/08/2019 09:34

I'm from Copenhagen (Denmark), but have lived in the Channel Islands (UK Crown Dependency) since late 2008. If I could, I would love to live in the U.S. - I love their culture/history/heritage/cuisine. I do hugely dislike the constant school shootings of late, and the fact that unless you're in the money, you can't realistically afford good quality healthcare.

Kewlwifee · 16/08/2019 09:40

I'm not being horrible but do they have culture, history or cuisine? We sort of wrote their history because we created it and then they fucked us off when they'd had enough. I've never had anything other than burgers and chicken fried mears. New Orleans does have some sort of cuisine, I guess. And culture? Hmm.

Brits have a much more pronounced culture IMO

edgeofheaven · 16/08/2019 09:45

@Kewlwifee you're not horrible, just not very smart or educated.

choli · 16/08/2019 09:50

Going by the movies US teens can be just as bad at bullying and meanness.
Indeed. Always the best way to judge. Are you 13?

MarshaBradyo · 16/08/2019 09:53

It was tongue in cheek

But no place is perfect when it comes to groups of teens on mass. I bet the US isn’t.

MarshaBradyo · 16/08/2019 09:54

To Cholo

Passthecherrycoke · 16/08/2019 09:54

Are you kidding @Kewlwifee? What is it that makes you think there is no culture or history?

@MsTSwift any ideas why that might be the case? Fascinating btw

MarshaBradyo · 16/08/2019 09:54

Arse Choli

Kewlwifee · 16/08/2019 09:55

Yeah, no, they don't have a very interesting long history post the end of slavery. I can't think of anything positive that I associate with American culture and only the South has any kind of half decent food.

I'm comfortable with saying it's not a place a foodie or a history or culture buff would put on their top 3 places to visit. Their history before independence is richer. The history and culture of 1st Nation people is definitely rich. But America as in America? Nah.

You going to go the US for sloppy Joe's and hot dogs?

MarshaBradyo · 16/08/2019 09:55

Come on then Choli what is it like do they all treat each other with total respect and kindness? Bet it’s the same

Passthecherrycoke · 16/08/2019 09:59

But you don’t know about the history pre discovery due to colonialism Shock that’s just a real colonialist attitude. And what about the amazing art in Charlotte, Chicago, New York, New Orleans? The music that has come out of the US. The Tv, film and original theatre. I could go on and on and I DON’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE US LOL.

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