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to think my family is shit?

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 15:12

I created a new user for this ...
I have 3 sisters and 2 parents and have now reached the point where I don't want to have anything to do with either of them. In my family it's only me who has problems with others, so obviously I've often thought that I must be the problem. However, whenever I think about why I have problems with them, I am completely certain that I am in the right.
So I'd appreciate some input.

Now, the order in which they finally pissed me off:

Sister 3 (I'm #2): We haven't had contact for years, which actually was her choice, but I really don't mind. I think she's a condescending bitch. When we still had contact, she'd regularly insult me in different ways for no reason whatsoever. My mother kept protecting her, my sister was always the poor and innocent girl, everything ugly thing she said was funny. Like I'd say something like "Please pass the chips", to which she might answer "Go die" and my mother find it hilarious. Whereas if I'd say something like "Stop talking to me like that!" and my mother would jump to her defence, tellimg ME off for being mean to her etc.
One day I snapped, which resulted in her stopping all contact with me, because I'm so horrible.
My other 2 sisters to acknowledge that sister 3 is being horrible to me, but they are not actively supporting me against her. They have a good relationship with her, which is fine by me.

Mother: My relationship with her was always shifting - sometimes rather good, sometimes okay, sometimes bad, sometimes I haven't had contact with her for months. I only started to realise that something is wrong once I moved out and had some distance. And when I saw other teenagers and adults with their parents and how they are communicating with each other. The first thing I started to realise is that there is no loving relationship, no talking to each other about feelings or anything personal. And except for one single time when I was 20 and ended up in psychiatric ward for a night, after I've swallowed medicine and cut myself with a razor all over my body, I can't remember a single time she told me she loved me! And this one time the "but I love you" was brought forward as an accusation.
Since age 11 there were exactly 2 times I cried in front of my mother - one time at 11 I cried about some children in school making fun of me, the other time at age 19 after my first visit to the gyn (yes, that was late for a first visit, I know) who was pretty violent. Both times my mother reacted by laughing at me!
She also never says anything positive about me, unless someone else said something (like one of her friends), in which case she agrees with them, because that's just what she does. Outside of her family she shifts with the wind to appeale to people. I've also always been the black sheep of the family, getting blamed for everything (when sister #4, who is 8 years younger than I am, once apparently burned a part of her stomach on purpose, it was my fault, because I've been mean to her), which is probably one of the reasons sister #3 thinks I'm a doormat.
A few months ago I watched a video about narcissistic mothers and how they treat their daughters, and almost every single point applied to my mother.
There is much more my my mother, but this post is already long, so I'll stop here. The important thing is that last year I stopped all contact with her and decided it will be for good this time.

Father: He is a typical macho, thinking kids and housework is a woman's job, while a man earns the living. My mother agreed and since they both liked it that way, I guess it's fine. Anyway, that of course means, that I hardly have a realtionship with my father - neither of us 4 sisters does. I do see him occasionally - in the last 10 months I've seen him much more often that usual, because he practised driving with me. He also doesn't really have a connection with my children for this reason and never had. However, since he and my mother separated about 10 years ago, I respect him more, since he shows more respect towards me.
Anyway: Recently it was my DC2's (a toddler) birthday. 2 days before my father dropped by briefly to drop something off and I reminded him of the upcoming birthday. On the birthday itself I asked him if he's coming over for cake and my DC opening presents. I didn't invite him earlier, because there were circumstances which we had no control over and which basically dictated what and when we can do for DC2's birthday. My father was aware of these extraordinary circumstances.
So, my father's answer to the invite was no, because he didn't want to drive into town that day, since he was already there the past 2 days, as he had things to do. He lives right outside of the city we live in, it's a 30 minute drive for him to my place, he's retired and he didn't have plans for that day or time.
I am extremely pissed off about that and consider to add him to the list of family members who can go fuck themselves.

Sister #4: Another one who couldn't be bothered to show up at the birthday. She didn't know for a while if she's going to have time, because she works irregular hours. However, a day or 2 before she said she'll have to work until 3pm and can come after. So on the birthday we agreed that she comes after work, which means she'd be here at 3:45. During the afternoon she suddenly said she can only come at 5pm and only stay for 1 hour, because she'll be leaving for a business trip the next day (which she knew well in advance) and still has to pack. I told her in that case she shouldn't come at all, because first of all I was pissed (she could well have packed before?) and she is basically a stranger to my DC2, who is afraid of strangers. 1 hour would simple be not enough time for my DC to warm up to my sister AND then enjoy her company.
After that I told my sister she doesn't need to bother at all any more, since she apparently isn't interested in my DC2, otherwise she'd have made more time AND would have visited more often. She then complained that I could as well have visited her with my DC and why should only she visit us. I find this completely unreasonable, because at home there are all my DC's toys and a playground in front our door, whereas my sister is a single woman with an apartment that's obviously not equipped for toddlers. I'd spend my time there stopping my kid touching things.
Furthermore my sister never invited us to come visit her, while I asked her regularly when she'll come visit again.
The last time my DC2 and my sister have seen each other very briefly was 3 months prior to the birthday, when my DC1 (a teenager) and my sister participated in a run. The run took place in a lovely park and we stayed there afterwards, but my sister didn't want to join us (she knew we'd stay and that she's welcome to join us way before the run).
Now I am the bad one because I assume she's not interested in my child.

Sister #1: She's 2 years older than I am, we didn't have good relationship as children (at least when we were school aged) and were constantly fighting. Which, in retrospective, is probably due to my mother. Anyway, we got a long fine once we were grown ups. Sometimes better sometimes worse, but generelly fine.
Since a few years, however, I get increasingly annoyed with her. She decided that she might have Aspergers and get tested for it. Which generally is fine, of course. However I was and still amn convinced that she simply WANTED to have Aspergers, because she wants to be special or whatever. What really annoyes me is, that she started displaying personality traits associated with Aspergers, but only AFTER she got the idea. So I am convinced she does it on purpose, because it doesn't seem likely that she - just one example - suddenly doesn't understand sarcasm, if she had no problem with it before.
She also behaves increasingly antisocial. The hightlight, which now led to me not wanting anything to do with her anymore, occured early this month.
There was a chance that I'll have to go to hospital with DC3, a baby. Or rather the baby has to go to hospital. I asked her if she is in town during that time (she travels around a lot) and if she could spend a few nights at my place, in order for me to be able to stay at the hospital with my baby (I'm a single parent, with no father involved). She was very reluctant and basically said that she wouldn't do it, complaining "I'd can't take care of DC2 all day long!" (which I told her she wouldn't have, since I'll also see my othger 2 kids during the day and also DC1, a teenager, is very mature and very capable of taking care of DC2, I just don't want them to be alone all day long and especially not during the night!). She also said, she doesn't want to do it, because she wants to be at her place.
So even though she would have had time, she wouldn't have helped out, because she just doesn't feel like it. She'd rather have a teeny baby be in the hospital without a parent, than helping me out for a few nights, even though she could.
I might add that the only responsibility she has at her place are a few plants! She lives in the same city a 20 minute tube ride away, on the same line! And she is still convinced she's an awesome aunt!

Now, if for those of you who managed to read all that: Am I the problem, or is it them?
I do admit that I might be a little too harsh on my youngest sister, who is a very busy woman, but I still maintain that if she'd had any interest, she'd show it by actually making an effort to spend more time with my kids.

So, AIBU to think the rest of my family is an antisocial bunch?

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Mummyoflittledragon · 14/08/2019 21:32

I also meant to say you’ve taken the comments on board really well. I think you’ll go far in your therapy.

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 21:38

@Standingonceremony Your family sounds dreadful! Our mothers seem quite alike.

is there a chance your family are a bit fed of you exepecting so much of them
My family helped out occasionally when my DC1 was small and I was at university. From when DC1 was 3 to 9 we lived abroad and once we moved back I didn't need any help, due to the age. So the contact between us was leisure, not me needing something.
Once my DC2 was born, I asked my mother (I still had contact with her then) twice if she wanted to babysit, so we could go out (loved to go to musicals and things like that with DC1 and haven't done it for a while, because of the arrival of DC2). My mother agreed and we picked an afternoon show, since I wasn't sure how DC2 would be with someone else during bed time. Went fine.
The second time I asked was for an evening show 2 months later - I got my DC1 tickets for Lord of the Rings live in concert as a birthday present about 10 months before the event. My mother agreed to watch DC2, we made arrangements about her coming to our place, since DC2 never slept anywhere else without me, I told my mother she is welcome to stay the night so she doesn't have to get back to her place at 11pm and she was fine with it. The night before the show she changed her mind, didn't feel like babysitting.

Anyway, these were the only 2 times I asked my family for help in more than 10 years! I didn't even ask them to help me move, except my father, who I asked if he can drive a rental van for me (which he thankfully did).

So no, I don't think I expect too much.

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Standingonceremony · 14/08/2019 21:48

@ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername - let's hope we can be better mum's then. X

Seriously though, since I've accepted it and shrug off any of the continual nonsense I am much, much happier. I think you will be if you can find a way to accept stuff for what it is and try yo see it as their issue, not a reflection of you.

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 21:54

Maybe some of your sisters feel they are the black sheep too.

Hmmm, don't think so. Sister 3 constantly feels sorry for herself, about everyone and everything. Which is, I believe, caused by my mother who excused every shit she did. My sister 3 acted like a toddler in the terrible two's since she became a teenager, thinking the world turns around her and she' supposed to be the centre of the universe. However, since she's pampered any babied and supported in that believe by both my mother and, to some lesser extend, by my sisters, I really don't think she feels like that.

My youngest sister probably felt like that for a while - and with good reason. When small, sister 3 looked very much like sister 1 and sister 4 looked very much like me. So for all of their childhood sister 3 was "little sister 1" and sister 4 was "little sister 2". Which meant that once I moved out of my parents house and especially once I left the country, my youngest sister took over my role. I actively noticed that and actually called my mother out because of it - who of course said it was all nonsense. My youngest sister was also the one who visibly acted up most during her teenage years - getting completely drunk and puking on her bedroom floor at 13, caught stealing several times, boys, ....
However, this has changed once she was grown-up and had been away for a while and I really don't get the impression that she feels like the black sheep. She is actually the loveliest in the family, trying to get along with everyone and does get along very well with my mother. Surprisingly, I must add, I'm quite amazed.

My older sister never was the black sheep, she was the perfect girl. I mentioned that once, not long ago, to which she answered that she never dared to not be perfect. That was quite an eye opener, because it never occured to me that she might not have chosed this role for herself. Anyway, she was/is not happy with the role that had been given to her, but she doesn't feel like the black sheep and actually agrees with me that that's my appointed role and always was.

I think you’ll go far in your therapy.

I considered it several times, but am quite reluctant. Don't know why. Maybe I'll give it a try once my small kids are older and in childcare.

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 22:01

let's hope we can be better mum's then. X

I really hope I am. And I'm pretty sure I am. At least DC1 turned out great so far!

Seriously though, since I've accepted it and shrug off any of the continual nonsense I am much, much happier. I think you will be if you can find a way to accept stuff for what it is and try yo see it as their issue, not a reflection of you.

I'm sure you're right. I already feel much better since I've cut my mother out of my life, because I'm not bothered by her shit anymore. I guess I should learn to shrug off other things that bother me too. I do sometimes feel that I get pissed off too easily by antisocial behaviour (not just my family, but in general) - this really winds me up. The same with things that I consider unfair, they can bother me for ages.

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SAHM2019 · 14/08/2019 22:04

Re sister 1 and the hospital situation, ok you wouldn't hesitate to give that help yourself if the tables were turned... but you are two different people. You cant really expect people to do what you want/need them to do because you believe they 'should'. You know where you stand with this sister, so rather than feel disappointed or annoyed about her lack of involvement, just accept that shes not somebody you can call on. None of them sound like they are really. If it's any consolation, I also come from a very dysfunctional family and I suspect my mum has BPD or something similar so I empathise fully with your mum and how that's affected things with your siblings. It's really sad. But speaking from experience, it sounds like you've done the right thing by cutting out the most unhealthy ones and as for the rest, try to set your expectations lower and just accept that sometimes family isn't how you would like them to be. If you can take anything good from this, I'd put my all into aiming to keep your own family unit as close as possible and encourage a healthy, strong family dynamic and encourage them to look after and support each other. And hopefully that dysfunctional cycle will be broken for the next generation (or the ones that came from you anyway).

BonyPony · 14/08/2019 22:09

OP, I feel sorry for you. What's left of my family are hard work at times and cause me serious pain.

I know your question is - is it me or them? I would try to move away from assigning blame. Whatever has happened in the past has happened and can't be changed.

Think about how to move forward. Who do you want to continue to have a relationship with?
What are the things you can do to help things be more positive in the future?
For example, can you say to yourself that you will always be your kindest self when with your dad?
That you will ask your sister about her autism and try to understand her situation, from her point of view?

If you are being your best self and nothing improves, then perhaps you can reassess whether you still want to keep in contact.

Good luck x

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 22:15

If you can take anything good from this, I'd put my all into aiming to keep your own family unit as close as possible and encourage a healthy, strong family dynamic and encourage them to look after and support each other. And hopefully that dysfunctional cycle will be broken for the next generation (or the ones that came from you anyway).

I certainly do that and think that way since DC1 was born. From my current point of view it seems like I did a good job so far. Will see if I still think like that once my first child is grown-up and has moved out of the house.

@BonyPony Thank you, that was very helpful!

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BonyPony · 14/08/2019 22:24

Can I also say that I'm impressed with your grace and restraint in response to some of tbe comments you've had. I cannot believe the way some people feel they can speak to other human beings who have asked for help - there are some very unpleasant peoplr on this forum. You seem to be rising above it - good on you!

Yeahnahmum · 14/08/2019 22:38

Wowie..
You are so unfair with your expectations and expect others to drop everything for you to help you out.

1 iwouldn't go to a birthday either being invited only hours earlier.
2put some toys in a bag and visit your sister if you want to make an effort to connect fgs
3you uninvited your sister from your kids bdp because she was running late? Seriously. .
5 you say that your sister is basically a stranger and that your kid is scared of strangers (sounds like that would be true since you never want to leave your house because your kids toys are there Hmm) but you do expect her to stay at your place for 2 days. And you say that your teenager will take care ofthe toddler?!?! How delusional is that..
5 blah blah etc etc.

Sorry op but you sound like you all could use a break from each other. And you said you've always been the black sheep of the family but it also sounds like you've got yourself to blame for that....

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 22:49

@BonyPony Thank you, that's very kind of you to say!

@Yeahnahmum

  1. I had very good reasons for it and my sister and father were aware of that.
  2. My sister didn't invite to visit her
  3. I didn't really uninvite her, I told her it doesn't make sense to come so late and only for such a short time. And she only told me that around 3:30pm, so at the time we were already expecting her to show up and were only waiting for her with the cake and presents.
  4. I expected her to SLEEP at my place for 2 or 3 NIGHTS. And yes, my teenager would have watched my toddler during the day, during the times my toddler wouldn't have been with me. My teenager would also have slept in my bed with my toddler instead of me. All my sister would have had to do is to be there during the night and maybe for a shorter period during the day. What's delusional about that?
  5. You missed 4.
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MzHz · 15/08/2019 07:01

I agree with @thecatinthetwat

I think it’s really hard when family aren’t interested in your children. It does feel shit. However, there is nothing you can do about it. The best thing you can do is accept it.

I think there are a few instances of you being a bit unfair and inflexible but I can understand that, given the resentment you must feel.

I highly recommend therapy as it will help you to get healthier and happier yourself and manage difficult family dynamics too.

Your family IS shit, both VERY shit and a little bit shit - but still shit!

There are a lot of people here who don’t have the first idea about what it’s like to live with a family like yours. They just don’t get it.

This family set up is not working at all for you or for your family. Don’t expect anything of them, don’t attribute any importance to what they do/don’t do, phase them out if it makes you feel better

frustratedmother101 · 15/08/2019 10:47

You actually sound like my sister who I haven't had contact with in months because she is a complete pain in the arse and an attention seeker !

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 15/08/2019 12:27

@MzHz Thank you!

@frustratedmother101 Yes, I know, I'm a complete pain in the arse and attention seeker, because I expect my family to show up for a child'd birthday once a year, if they are in town, and expect my sister, who considers her the greates aunt alive, to sleep a couple of night in my apartment instead of her own for the sake of a small baby in very special circumstances.
I'm such a demanding, horrible person.

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Babybrainstill · 15/08/2019 13:57

Stop agreeing with these people calling you names....you've come on here for a bit of advice not name calling.....
Xx

Spidey66 · 15/08/2019 14:43

Why is 19 late to see a gynaecologist for the first time? I never saw one till I was 48 and diagnosed with fibroids. Surely you'd only see one if there was problems in that area, which is unlikely at 19?

GinUnicorn · 15/08/2019 16:39

I don’t mean this negatively but I think it would be really beneficial to speak to a counsellor at some point about all this. You still seem to have a lot of deep resentment and bad feelings about the past and I wonder if it’s clouding your judgement on family relationships. Your mother certainly sounds hard work but I think you might still be giving her power over you. Good luck.

ddl1 · 15/08/2019 20:41

Mother and sister 3 sound dreadful. Father and other two sisters - not sure; not keen on fathers being macho and non-participant; but I think you're making too much of the birthday specifically. If dd was expecting them and would be really disappointed, that would be a bit different, but if she regards sister 4 as essentially a stranger - well, I think that is the problem, rather than the birthday itself. It's a pity that she sees her aunt so little that she's basically a stranger to her. But as I say, if she hardly knows her aunt, her aunt showing up or not showing up won't make that much difference to her.Basically: if someone doesn't bother with your dd except on her birthday, then they're not really making up for it by showing up on the birthday. If they treat the child well all year, then it's not a disaster if they can't make the birthday on the day itself (some sort of card or present would be nice, but I don't think it's got to be on the day.

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 15/08/2019 21:06

Stop agreeing with these people calling you names
My last post was sarcastic. I thought that was obvious Wink

Why is 19 late to see a gynaecologist for the first time? I never saw one till I was 48 and diagnosed with fibroids. Surely you'd only see one if there was problems in that area, which is unlikely at 19?

Isn't the recommendation to go every year for a check-up from around 15 or 16? Never do it, though, because I hate it.

I don’t mean this negatively but I think it would be really beneficial to speak to a counsellor at some point about all this.

Probably, but I'm very reluctant to do that.

You still seem to have a lot of deep resentment and bad feelings about the past

Certainly! But it's been less than a year since I finally went NC with my mother for good and I expect it to get better with time.

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 15/08/2019 21:09

if someone doesn't bother with your dd except on her birthday, then they're not really making up for it by showing up on the birthday. If they treat the child well all year, then it's not a disaster if they can't make the birthday on the day itself

That's a very good point, haven't thought of it like that!

My sister4 came to visit this morning, after I told her yesterday that my lashing out at her was an overreaction. It went well and maybe our previous argument also led her to realise that it might be good to have more contact (she actually realised to day how little she knows about my toddler, she was surprised about several things that are not new at all), if she cares about my little kids.

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shivermetimbers77 · 15/08/2019 21:37

I think you've been getting a really hard time here from some posters OP, but you've shown real grace and thoughtfulness in your responses.

Rachie1973 · 15/08/2019 21:54

I avoid all my nieces and nephews parties. I can’t bear the noise and screeching. It’s not personal. I just don’t want to go.

I would never ‘expect’ any of my siblings to drop everything for me, and vice versa. We have helped when it’s convenient.

I’m one of four and I enjoy a loving and close relationship with them, despite my mother being useless.

You honestly do sound quite hard work.

Spidey66 · 15/08/2019 22:10

Are you in the UK? Only in the UK we only see a gynaecologist on the NHS if there's a reason to, we don't get a routine annual check up with one.

Digressing, I know. Sorry.

GinUnicorn · 15/08/2019 22:12

Hey I totally appreciate it might be opening up painful doors but it will likely help long term. Wish you all the best OP Flowers

mswales · 15/08/2019 22:22

OP I'm really concerned that there hasn't been any more response to stuff you've said about your childhood - the self-harm, the lack of love from your mother, the anger you had even as a young child etc, it sounds like you have a really troubled past - and given all family relationships and the way we emotionally respond to things are completely related to what happened to us as children/teenagers then it's no wonder that things have ended up dysfunctional all round. You responded to nearly all the responses and questions but didn't respond to the one asking if you had ever had a diagnosis. But you responded to the one suggesting counselling acknowledging that it would be a good idea but saying you really don't want to do it. Really not wanting to do it is completely normal, it's a scary prospect, but I really urge you to see if you can manage to try as it would help you so much with all the resentment and hurt you're feeling and might enable you to feel much more at peace and build some sort of fulfilling relationships with your family members rather than cutting them all out altogether.
My much older brother had a lot of horrible shit happen to him with both his parents when he was younger - including abandonment by his mother - and he has naturally ended up as someone who has a lot of bitterness and resentment inside and has always had really high expectations of us all. Lack of love from a parent does fundamental things to a person. Please please talk to someone professional about your childhood and your family relationships. Love and hugs