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to think my family is shit?

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 15:12

I created a new user for this ...
I have 3 sisters and 2 parents and have now reached the point where I don't want to have anything to do with either of them. In my family it's only me who has problems with others, so obviously I've often thought that I must be the problem. However, whenever I think about why I have problems with them, I am completely certain that I am in the right.
So I'd appreciate some input.

Now, the order in which they finally pissed me off:

Sister 3 (I'm #2): We haven't had contact for years, which actually was her choice, but I really don't mind. I think she's a condescending bitch. When we still had contact, she'd regularly insult me in different ways for no reason whatsoever. My mother kept protecting her, my sister was always the poor and innocent girl, everything ugly thing she said was funny. Like I'd say something like "Please pass the chips", to which she might answer "Go die" and my mother find it hilarious. Whereas if I'd say something like "Stop talking to me like that!" and my mother would jump to her defence, tellimg ME off for being mean to her etc.
One day I snapped, which resulted in her stopping all contact with me, because I'm so horrible.
My other 2 sisters to acknowledge that sister 3 is being horrible to me, but they are not actively supporting me against her. They have a good relationship with her, which is fine by me.

Mother: My relationship with her was always shifting - sometimes rather good, sometimes okay, sometimes bad, sometimes I haven't had contact with her for months. I only started to realise that something is wrong once I moved out and had some distance. And when I saw other teenagers and adults with their parents and how they are communicating with each other. The first thing I started to realise is that there is no loving relationship, no talking to each other about feelings or anything personal. And except for one single time when I was 20 and ended up in psychiatric ward for a night, after I've swallowed medicine and cut myself with a razor all over my body, I can't remember a single time she told me she loved me! And this one time the "but I love you" was brought forward as an accusation.
Since age 11 there were exactly 2 times I cried in front of my mother - one time at 11 I cried about some children in school making fun of me, the other time at age 19 after my first visit to the gyn (yes, that was late for a first visit, I know) who was pretty violent. Both times my mother reacted by laughing at me!
She also never says anything positive about me, unless someone else said something (like one of her friends), in which case she agrees with them, because that's just what she does. Outside of her family she shifts with the wind to appeale to people. I've also always been the black sheep of the family, getting blamed for everything (when sister #4, who is 8 years younger than I am, once apparently burned a part of her stomach on purpose, it was my fault, because I've been mean to her), which is probably one of the reasons sister #3 thinks I'm a doormat.
A few months ago I watched a video about narcissistic mothers and how they treat their daughters, and almost every single point applied to my mother.
There is much more my my mother, but this post is already long, so I'll stop here. The important thing is that last year I stopped all contact with her and decided it will be for good this time.

Father: He is a typical macho, thinking kids and housework is a woman's job, while a man earns the living. My mother agreed and since they both liked it that way, I guess it's fine. Anyway, that of course means, that I hardly have a realtionship with my father - neither of us 4 sisters does. I do see him occasionally - in the last 10 months I've seen him much more often that usual, because he practised driving with me. He also doesn't really have a connection with my children for this reason and never had. However, since he and my mother separated about 10 years ago, I respect him more, since he shows more respect towards me.
Anyway: Recently it was my DC2's (a toddler) birthday. 2 days before my father dropped by briefly to drop something off and I reminded him of the upcoming birthday. On the birthday itself I asked him if he's coming over for cake and my DC opening presents. I didn't invite him earlier, because there were circumstances which we had no control over and which basically dictated what and when we can do for DC2's birthday. My father was aware of these extraordinary circumstances.
So, my father's answer to the invite was no, because he didn't want to drive into town that day, since he was already there the past 2 days, as he had things to do. He lives right outside of the city we live in, it's a 30 minute drive for him to my place, he's retired and he didn't have plans for that day or time.
I am extremely pissed off about that and consider to add him to the list of family members who can go fuck themselves.

Sister #4: Another one who couldn't be bothered to show up at the birthday. She didn't know for a while if she's going to have time, because she works irregular hours. However, a day or 2 before she said she'll have to work until 3pm and can come after. So on the birthday we agreed that she comes after work, which means she'd be here at 3:45. During the afternoon she suddenly said she can only come at 5pm and only stay for 1 hour, because she'll be leaving for a business trip the next day (which she knew well in advance) and still has to pack. I told her in that case she shouldn't come at all, because first of all I was pissed (she could well have packed before?) and she is basically a stranger to my DC2, who is afraid of strangers. 1 hour would simple be not enough time for my DC to warm up to my sister AND then enjoy her company.
After that I told my sister she doesn't need to bother at all any more, since she apparently isn't interested in my DC2, otherwise she'd have made more time AND would have visited more often. She then complained that I could as well have visited her with my DC and why should only she visit us. I find this completely unreasonable, because at home there are all my DC's toys and a playground in front our door, whereas my sister is a single woman with an apartment that's obviously not equipped for toddlers. I'd spend my time there stopping my kid touching things.
Furthermore my sister never invited us to come visit her, while I asked her regularly when she'll come visit again.
The last time my DC2 and my sister have seen each other very briefly was 3 months prior to the birthday, when my DC1 (a teenager) and my sister participated in a run. The run took place in a lovely park and we stayed there afterwards, but my sister didn't want to join us (she knew we'd stay and that she's welcome to join us way before the run).
Now I am the bad one because I assume she's not interested in my child.

Sister #1: She's 2 years older than I am, we didn't have good relationship as children (at least when we were school aged) and were constantly fighting. Which, in retrospective, is probably due to my mother. Anyway, we got a long fine once we were grown ups. Sometimes better sometimes worse, but generelly fine.
Since a few years, however, I get increasingly annoyed with her. She decided that she might have Aspergers and get tested for it. Which generally is fine, of course. However I was and still amn convinced that she simply WANTED to have Aspergers, because she wants to be special or whatever. What really annoyes me is, that she started displaying personality traits associated with Aspergers, but only AFTER she got the idea. So I am convinced she does it on purpose, because it doesn't seem likely that she - just one example - suddenly doesn't understand sarcasm, if she had no problem with it before.
She also behaves increasingly antisocial. The hightlight, which now led to me not wanting anything to do with her anymore, occured early this month.
There was a chance that I'll have to go to hospital with DC3, a baby. Or rather the baby has to go to hospital. I asked her if she is in town during that time (she travels around a lot) and if she could spend a few nights at my place, in order for me to be able to stay at the hospital with my baby (I'm a single parent, with no father involved). She was very reluctant and basically said that she wouldn't do it, complaining "I'd can't take care of DC2 all day long!" (which I told her she wouldn't have, since I'll also see my othger 2 kids during the day and also DC1, a teenager, is very mature and very capable of taking care of DC2, I just don't want them to be alone all day long and especially not during the night!). She also said, she doesn't want to do it, because she wants to be at her place.
So even though she would have had time, she wouldn't have helped out, because she just doesn't feel like it. She'd rather have a teeny baby be in the hospital without a parent, than helping me out for a few nights, even though she could.
I might add that the only responsibility she has at her place are a few plants! She lives in the same city a 20 minute tube ride away, on the same line! And she is still convinced she's an awesome aunt!

Now, if for those of you who managed to read all that: Am I the problem, or is it them?
I do admit that I might be a little too harsh on my youngest sister, who is a very busy woman, but I still maintain that if she'd had any interest, she'd show it by actually making an effort to spend more time with my kids.

So, AIBU to think the rest of my family is an antisocial bunch?

OP posts:
ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 19:37

You just sound like a horrible person. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. How about work on yourself?

Actually I am, and a part of working on myself was posting here to get opinions, realising I was unreasonable with my father and sister 4 (still don't agree about sister 1) and telling my sister 4 that I made a mistake.

Btw, judging from the tone of the 5 comments you posted here so far, you don't sound like the nicest person either.

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 19:42

I bet you feel even worse now posting on here.

No, not really. At least it made me see that I overreacted concerning 2 of the 3 people I still have contact with.

I'm only extremely surprised about the comments about sister 1. I would expected that in a forum full of mothers almost everyone would have agreed that a baby's wellbeing would by far trump my sister's personal slight inconvenience. I myself would never ever dream to say no to a request for help like that, unless there is absolutely no possibility for me to help.

With the other mean comments I can live.

But thanks for your post, the few answers here that actually showed some sympathy were nice to read Smile

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Babybrainstill · 14/08/2019 19:42

I'm actually disgusted by some these posts that's have been posted...especially the ones with the dirty language....bored women with no life lol

Flerkin · 14/08/2019 19:49

OP, its clear (and which you have accepted) that you are partly to blame for this.

You do have really high expectations of people.

You need to forget what you expect people to do for you. You need to work entirely on yourself. And managing your own behaviour.

The start branching out into the members of your own family, the ones you want to see, and how you interact with them

Babybrainstill · 14/08/2019 19:51

Well I hope you find a bit of the few nice comments helpful....and try your best to maybe realise that most people's family's aren't that great either....
X

Beaverdam · 14/08/2019 19:52

You should like hard work and expect too much. Cutting them off may give them some relief aswel as you.

Imknackeredzzz · 14/08/2019 19:53

Where are the dad (s) in all of this?!

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 19:54

Well I hope you find a bit of the few nice comments helpful....and try your best to maybe realise that most people's family's aren't that great either....

I did, thank you. And I'll certainly keep that in mind, because on the outside my family seems lovely as well.
I know it's mean, but actually reminding myself, when I see apparently lovely families, that they might be horrible at the inside too, makes me feel better. Yes, I am jealous.

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Twillow · 14/08/2019 19:56

I have an adult daughter who has some problems with relationships within the family, bears grudges, sees imagined slights etc, and my first thoughts on reading what you posted was her. HOWEVER, having read your thoughtful replies (and responses to some very uncharitable replies) I don't think you ARE the issue. No doubt it is complex and you can flare up at times, but they don't sound like in general they make much effort towards you. The lack of assistance for the hospital vsit was dreadful. I think you were a little rude to cancel the sister's birthday visit - I would be late packing too - BUT I would visit a birthday child on their day.
Your dad was kind of reasonable but if you pointed out that you really wanted him there, do you think he might have? He is helping you in some ways at least.
I think I'd say, take the pleasure and try to forget the pain - it probably hurts you more than it hurts them, or potentially even your pain might subconciously GIVE them pleasure, through a pattern on childhood scapegoating and favouritism? Maybe think about how you can be clever, and work situations in your favour by not allowing them to get any pleasure from you being upset - you could turn the tide!!

saraclara · 14/08/2019 20:00

How is your sister supposed to know that your child needs 45 minutes to get used to her? Because that really isn't something that anyone should expect of a child.

An hour's pop in for the birthday of a nephew is entirely reasonable for 99.95 of the population.

I can't help feeling that you look for trouble.

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 20:00

You should like hard work and expect too much. Cutting them off may give them some relief aswel as you.

I probably am. I am cutting off my older sister, not my father and the younger one. My father actually would like to have more contact with all 4 of us, but at the same time not, because none of us (him included) actually know what to talk about with each other. That's why he actually liked helping me practise driving, because we saw more of each other and knew what to talk about.
My younger sister apparently doesn't want to be relieved of me, because she immediately accepted my apology and told me she has time to come around tomorrow.
Our relationship is quite okay - not tense, but okay. We had a great relationship when she was small (even during my torture-phase), I loved her dearly and was very protective of her.
So I am glad about that and hope she is too.

Where are the dad (s) in all of this?!
Not there.

OP posts:
Babybrainstill · 14/08/2019 20:01

Why don't you try and have a little chat with someone professional....
Get everything off your chest..
I agree with Twillo

Bloomburger · 14/08/2019 20:03

Your family don't seem to have a relationship with you or your DS but you still expect so much from them. I think you need to adjust your expectations.

Madfrogs · 14/08/2019 20:09

It does seem rather strange that all your family are apparently in the wrong and the dad/s too are all no contact. Considering the ages of your children that was either a long relationship that’s ended recently gone bad or rather a couple of men who want nothing to do with you.

I think you need to look inside before outside.

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 20:14

I have an adult daughter who has some problems with relationships within the family, bears grudges, sees imagined slights etc, and my first thoughts on reading what you posted was her.

I actually did consider that. Over and over again, for years, I was wondering whether I'm just imagining things, making stuff up about how it was when growing up. Then, some years ago during a trip to North America I visited a cousin who lives there and stayed with her for a week. When I was around 9 she was a young adult and lived with us to study for a semester or maybe two. Other than that we only had very rare contact, since she always (also during her childhood), lived very far away.
When I visited her - the first time we saw each other as adults - she suddenly started talking about her time at our place. I didn't ask her anything, because while I vaguely remember her being there, I have no concrete recollection of that time whatsoever. Anyway, she herself, without prompting, suddenly started to talk about how sorry she felt for me, that my mother was so mean to me, that she always overlooked my sister being horrible to me (my sister would quietly be mean to me, like hit or pinch me in passing) and constantly telling me off for crying/screaming about it. (In retrospect I realised my mother didn't care how we treated one another, as long as SHE wasn't bothered. So since my sister did it all quietly, without bothering my mother, while my screaming annoyed her, I was to one who got told off). My cousin even said she told my father about it and that she actively took me out to playgrounds and stuff to give me break from my mother.
I was so relieved when she told me that, because I finally had the confirmation that I am not making things up. This really helped me a lot to go on with my life!

How is your sister supposed to know that your child needs 45 minutes to get used to her? Because that really isn't something that anyone should expect of a child.

I really haven't considered that before. Now that I've read that, it's obvious my sister had no idea.

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 20:16

Considering the ages of your children that was either a long relationship that’s ended recently gone bad or rather a couple of men who want nothing to do with you.

Nope.
And a father doesn't need to have anything to do with ME. A father only has to care about his child(ren).

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GabsAlot · 14/08/2019 20:42

If my niece or nephew were in hospital id absolutely help out-your dad doesnt sound that bad prob a misunderstanding

the rest well youre better off without them

GabsAlot · 14/08/2019 20:44

oh i got mixed up popping in for an hour is ok if she had no idea your child would be scared

Bookworm4 · 14/08/2019 20:54

Well, no, actually it's not, since the birthday child would probably spend 45 minutes of this hour clinging to my leg due to a stranger invading our home
Do you know how ridiculous you sound? You invited her! But according to you it’s got be for your chosen time? Maybe you should encourage your kids to be sociable instead of cutting anybody off for least slight. I think you have issues and are passing them onto your kids, nobody will want to spend time with you or them.

Standingonceremony · 14/08/2019 20:57

I didn't finish your post and haven't read the thread (So you could probably ignore me tbh) but your family sounds ... normal. Siblings arguing, parents apparently taking sides, grudges, baggage and different expectations and politics. Adults having different priorities. All normal.

I think you need to find a way to put the upset behind you or accept it.

My mum never told me she loved me and never will. She was excellent at pointing out my flaws, real and imagined. Her favourite was making me feel bad that as a baby I looked stupid in frilly dresses! If anyone ever said something nice about me she'd very quickly counteract or find some way to turn it into an insult e.g. someone once told me I was good at the violin. She replied it's because I don't have any friends so need to do something with my time.

My dad worked a lot and was inconsistent. He openly admits he only visits me now so he can see his grandsons. He never visited me once before. He also laughs at me being picky over childcare and takes joy in telling me he palmed us off on anyone who would have us.

There is a huge amount of sibling rivalry between me and my 4 siblings even now we are adults. If you ask any one of us we'd say someone else was the favourite and we each genuingely feel that way. I don't speak to 2 of them because our lives just don't match. None of them would bother coming for their nephew's birthdays. I've never been invited to their things either and wouldn't expect to be. One randomly emailed me a few weeks ago to remind me it was her wife's birthday coming up. I was like "And...?".

So yeah, it's easy to get hung up on stuff especially when you concentrate on individual instances. In my case it's taken a lot of work of work but I've (mostly) accepted, it's done, emotionally it was (And still is to some degree) horrible but I have let it go. I look at otger families and am jealoys but all I can do is try to give my son's a better family life. Thing is, I mess up sonetimes too so they could easily fixate on the "bad things" when they grow up. I hope they don't but it is easy to do I guess.

Flerkin · 14/08/2019 20:59

I feel awful for asking this as it sounds Judgey.

OP, is there a chance your family are a bit fed of you exepecting so much of them, essentially because you are a single parent and have made the same mistake several times.

I am not judging you if your relationships with the father/s of your children were poor. But do they think you have gone and made the same mistake 3 times, then expect them to pick up the slack.

Sorry of that's sounds judgemental, it's not meant to be. But I am wondering if that is some of the reasons you all dont get on with them.

formerbabe · 14/08/2019 21:06

Your family aren't perfect. Most families aren't perfect. They don't sound that bad to me though.

Madfrogs · 14/08/2019 21:17

They might not need a relationship with you but their children they should. So when in hospital why couldn’t the father of any/all of the children watch the two at home or be with the one in hospital?

You just come across as hard work and expecting so much of everyone yet these children have fathers too who should of helped in one case.

LemonYumYums · 14/08/2019 21:17

I think you’ve been very gracious on your thread OP, and for what it’s worth if you were my sister I’d drop everything to look after your little ones. I hope you find a way to live with the awful way your mum and sister 3 treated you, and that you never have to have anything to do with them again.
I hope you find someone who will willingly help you out, and that your baby gets through their health issues. Good luck.

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/08/2019 21:31

You said something really interesting to me in your answer to one of my points. I was often really horrible towards my younger sisters, hurting them on purpose, destroying things on purpose, because it felt good!

I’ve always thought of the black sheep as the appeaser. That’s who I was. My brother otoh was violent to me and never stopped. I had to go nc. He doesn’t believe I’m disabled and has been violent to me because of it. I think he may also think he’s the black sheep. He has been at times to be sure. I was put on a pedestal as a girl by my father. But it wasn’t a very nice place to be. I was defined very much by the rigid gender role of girl whereas my brother was given exciting stuff - really good boys toys and animals to play with. I had dolls.

My brother is similar to your sister 3, which leads me back to your situation. Maybe some of your sisters feel they are the black sheep too. Just a thought.

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