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to think my family is shit?

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 15:12

I created a new user for this ...
I have 3 sisters and 2 parents and have now reached the point where I don't want to have anything to do with either of them. In my family it's only me who has problems with others, so obviously I've often thought that I must be the problem. However, whenever I think about why I have problems with them, I am completely certain that I am in the right.
So I'd appreciate some input.

Now, the order in which they finally pissed me off:

Sister 3 (I'm #2): We haven't had contact for years, which actually was her choice, but I really don't mind. I think she's a condescending bitch. When we still had contact, she'd regularly insult me in different ways for no reason whatsoever. My mother kept protecting her, my sister was always the poor and innocent girl, everything ugly thing she said was funny. Like I'd say something like "Please pass the chips", to which she might answer "Go die" and my mother find it hilarious. Whereas if I'd say something like "Stop talking to me like that!" and my mother would jump to her defence, tellimg ME off for being mean to her etc.
One day I snapped, which resulted in her stopping all contact with me, because I'm so horrible.
My other 2 sisters to acknowledge that sister 3 is being horrible to me, but they are not actively supporting me against her. They have a good relationship with her, which is fine by me.

Mother: My relationship with her was always shifting - sometimes rather good, sometimes okay, sometimes bad, sometimes I haven't had contact with her for months. I only started to realise that something is wrong once I moved out and had some distance. And when I saw other teenagers and adults with their parents and how they are communicating with each other. The first thing I started to realise is that there is no loving relationship, no talking to each other about feelings or anything personal. And except for one single time when I was 20 and ended up in psychiatric ward for a night, after I've swallowed medicine and cut myself with a razor all over my body, I can't remember a single time she told me she loved me! And this one time the "but I love you" was brought forward as an accusation.
Since age 11 there were exactly 2 times I cried in front of my mother - one time at 11 I cried about some children in school making fun of me, the other time at age 19 after my first visit to the gyn (yes, that was late for a first visit, I know) who was pretty violent. Both times my mother reacted by laughing at me!
She also never says anything positive about me, unless someone else said something (like one of her friends), in which case she agrees with them, because that's just what she does. Outside of her family she shifts with the wind to appeale to people. I've also always been the black sheep of the family, getting blamed for everything (when sister #4, who is 8 years younger than I am, once apparently burned a part of her stomach on purpose, it was my fault, because I've been mean to her), which is probably one of the reasons sister #3 thinks I'm a doormat.
A few months ago I watched a video about narcissistic mothers and how they treat their daughters, and almost every single point applied to my mother.
There is much more my my mother, but this post is already long, so I'll stop here. The important thing is that last year I stopped all contact with her and decided it will be for good this time.

Father: He is a typical macho, thinking kids and housework is a woman's job, while a man earns the living. My mother agreed and since they both liked it that way, I guess it's fine. Anyway, that of course means, that I hardly have a realtionship with my father - neither of us 4 sisters does. I do see him occasionally - in the last 10 months I've seen him much more often that usual, because he practised driving with me. He also doesn't really have a connection with my children for this reason and never had. However, since he and my mother separated about 10 years ago, I respect him more, since he shows more respect towards me.
Anyway: Recently it was my DC2's (a toddler) birthday. 2 days before my father dropped by briefly to drop something off and I reminded him of the upcoming birthday. On the birthday itself I asked him if he's coming over for cake and my DC opening presents. I didn't invite him earlier, because there were circumstances which we had no control over and which basically dictated what and when we can do for DC2's birthday. My father was aware of these extraordinary circumstances.
So, my father's answer to the invite was no, because he didn't want to drive into town that day, since he was already there the past 2 days, as he had things to do. He lives right outside of the city we live in, it's a 30 minute drive for him to my place, he's retired and he didn't have plans for that day or time.
I am extremely pissed off about that and consider to add him to the list of family members who can go fuck themselves.

Sister #4: Another one who couldn't be bothered to show up at the birthday. She didn't know for a while if she's going to have time, because she works irregular hours. However, a day or 2 before she said she'll have to work until 3pm and can come after. So on the birthday we agreed that she comes after work, which means she'd be here at 3:45. During the afternoon she suddenly said she can only come at 5pm and only stay for 1 hour, because she'll be leaving for a business trip the next day (which she knew well in advance) and still has to pack. I told her in that case she shouldn't come at all, because first of all I was pissed (she could well have packed before?) and she is basically a stranger to my DC2, who is afraid of strangers. 1 hour would simple be not enough time for my DC to warm up to my sister AND then enjoy her company.
After that I told my sister she doesn't need to bother at all any more, since she apparently isn't interested in my DC2, otherwise she'd have made more time AND would have visited more often. She then complained that I could as well have visited her with my DC and why should only she visit us. I find this completely unreasonable, because at home there are all my DC's toys and a playground in front our door, whereas my sister is a single woman with an apartment that's obviously not equipped for toddlers. I'd spend my time there stopping my kid touching things.
Furthermore my sister never invited us to come visit her, while I asked her regularly when she'll come visit again.
The last time my DC2 and my sister have seen each other very briefly was 3 months prior to the birthday, when my DC1 (a teenager) and my sister participated in a run. The run took place in a lovely park and we stayed there afterwards, but my sister didn't want to join us (she knew we'd stay and that she's welcome to join us way before the run).
Now I am the bad one because I assume she's not interested in my child.

Sister #1: She's 2 years older than I am, we didn't have good relationship as children (at least when we were school aged) and were constantly fighting. Which, in retrospective, is probably due to my mother. Anyway, we got a long fine once we were grown ups. Sometimes better sometimes worse, but generelly fine.
Since a few years, however, I get increasingly annoyed with her. She decided that she might have Aspergers and get tested for it. Which generally is fine, of course. However I was and still amn convinced that she simply WANTED to have Aspergers, because she wants to be special or whatever. What really annoyes me is, that she started displaying personality traits associated with Aspergers, but only AFTER she got the idea. So I am convinced she does it on purpose, because it doesn't seem likely that she - just one example - suddenly doesn't understand sarcasm, if she had no problem with it before.
She also behaves increasingly antisocial. The hightlight, which now led to me not wanting anything to do with her anymore, occured early this month.
There was a chance that I'll have to go to hospital with DC3, a baby. Or rather the baby has to go to hospital. I asked her if she is in town during that time (she travels around a lot) and if she could spend a few nights at my place, in order for me to be able to stay at the hospital with my baby (I'm a single parent, with no father involved). She was very reluctant and basically said that she wouldn't do it, complaining "I'd can't take care of DC2 all day long!" (which I told her she wouldn't have, since I'll also see my othger 2 kids during the day and also DC1, a teenager, is very mature and very capable of taking care of DC2, I just don't want them to be alone all day long and especially not during the night!). She also said, she doesn't want to do it, because she wants to be at her place.
So even though she would have had time, she wouldn't have helped out, because she just doesn't feel like it. She'd rather have a teeny baby be in the hospital without a parent, than helping me out for a few nights, even though she could.
I might add that the only responsibility she has at her place are a few plants! She lives in the same city a 20 minute tube ride away, on the same line! And she is still convinced she's an awesome aunt!

Now, if for those of you who managed to read all that: Am I the problem, or is it them?
I do admit that I might be a little too harsh on my youngest sister, who is a very busy woman, but I still maintain that if she'd had any interest, she'd show it by actually making an effort to spend more time with my kids.

So, AIBU to think the rest of my family is an antisocial bunch?

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Zebraaa · 14/08/2019 16:26

Honestly, you need to get over yourself. Jesus Christ that was some of the most self absorbed stuff I’ve read. You sound like a very angry person.

MollyButton · 14/08/2019 16:27

Your family is obvious dysfunctional.
Your Mother sounds pretty awful - and if she was like that when you were growing up, then it is no wonder that all of you carry profound traces of her upbringing even now.

And yes that does include you - you sound a bit like a narcissist yourself, in wanting to cast off people for a perceived slight, such as turning up to your DC's birthday tea. A tea that was arranged very last minute - and you told one person not to bother because she had to work later than usual and hadn't yet packed for a work trip the next day (which if it had been a firm arrangement she might not have procrastinated about).
Is your Father teaching you to drive? I can understand he might not want to do a 1 hour round trip at the last minute. (And he probably has his own issues as he stayed with your Mum so long.)
You are also awfully dismissive of your sister's Autism diagnosis - something which is unkind and liable to get you in big trouble here. Autism is hard to diagnose in Women/girls. And in the past was rarely diagnosed, as women and girls are better at masking/hiding it. Maybe with diagnosis your sister has felt free to relax and not cover up her real self. You should read up about Autism in females and learn a bit about the struggles she is going through.

Please go and get some help for yourself, and start to examine how your background and any neuro differences you may have affect your life.

PotolBabu · 14/08/2019 16:34

No other than one sister and mother, the rest is a huge overreaction. Huge. I had a v shy clingy toddler once but I would NEVER tell someone not to come to the party because they could only spare an hour. That was unbelievably rude. If I was your sister I would be furious.
You are also very dismissive of your sister perhaps being autistic.
I think it reads like you are the only one with kids (is that correct?) and you thought that might make you and your child the centre of the family’s attention but since that hasn’t happened and everyone has busy lives you are furious.

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 16:41

You are also awfully dismissive of your sister's Autism diagnosis

She wasn't diagnosed with Asperger's, she only thought herself she had it and went to get diagnosed. Apparently she's somewhere on veeery low end of the spectrum. Though even this is questionable, since the diagnose is based on her own accounts (and my mother's, who keeps mixing up her children while being absolutely certain that she's right).

Maybe with diagnosis your sister has felt free to relax and not cover up her real self.
I thought of that when it came to some aspects ... like she certainly not being able to stand loud noises or too much going. I actually considered that she might always have had troubles with that but worked hard to not show it and dares to show it now, because she has a possible explanation for it.
However, there are things you can't just pretend. Like the sarcasm I mentioned. It's impossible to pretend to get sarcasm if you don't and impossible to use sarcasm, if you don't get it.
Another example would be her concentration or mind wandering. It's impossible now to play a board game with her for that reason and her reactions if one tells her it's her turn is so obviously put on. And also in this case I'd say it would have been impossible to fake not having issues. We played board games a lot, she enjoyed it, she wanted to play them and she NEVER had any problems concentrating on it.

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 16:49

Allright, I guess I have been wrong about my youngest sister and my father and will contact my sister (haven't told my father to fuck off, was just pissed off in private).
I still maintain my point with my older sister. Being ready to leave a baby at a hospital alone, just because it's inconvenient to help, is absolutely unacceptable to me.

I think it reads like you are the only one with kids (is that correct?) and you thought that might make you and your child the centre of the family’s attention but since that hasn’t happened and everyone has busy lives you are furious.

Yes, mine are the only ones.
No, I don't think they should be the centre of attention, but I certainly would have expected them to actively show more interest.
I'm also angry because my sisters were much different with DC1, who has great contact with them. I would have wanted that for my other children as well. But well, it's more than a decade between DC1 and DC2, so I guess I have to accept that they got older, their lives have changed and being aunts is not an awesome novelty anymore.

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LemonYumYums · 14/08/2019 16:51

Sister 3 and your Mum can get to fuck. But equally, your treatment of the rest of your family is shabby, and you sound like a drama queen. I couldn’t be fucked with a relative like you I’m afraid, I’d go nc, and I don’t say that lightly either.

LemonYumYums · 14/08/2019 16:55

What are you talking about when you say your sister is to blame for your baby being alone in hospital? It does t even make sense. It’s your baby, your responsibility, and while it would be nice if someone stepped in and helped, you can’t honestly expect your sister or anyone else to take responsibility for the children you chose to have. Why the hell should they? Your anger toward everyone indicates to me that you need psychotherapy.

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 16:56

Improve and enjoy your own family life you only get one.

Thank you, I certainly do that! One good thing about realising how much was really shit when growing up was that I know to not repeat that with my own children (which my mother actively tried to sabotage ... but that's another issue).

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ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 17:01

What are you talking about when you say your sister is to blame for your baby being alone in hospital? It does t even make sense. It’s your baby, your responsibility, and while it would be nice if someone stepped in and helped, you can’t honestly expect your sister or anyone else to take responsibility for the children you chose to have.

I disagree, while they are of course my responsibility (and I do fulfill that responsibility with no help from my family, though they helped occasionally when my DC1 was younger), I wouldn't have thought there would even be something to think about when asked for help like that. Apart from her thinking about whether she's in town during the time in question and has time.

Why the hell should they?
Because you have to be a real fucking antisocial arsehole not to?

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LemonYumYums · 14/08/2019 17:14

I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. I honestly do understand your anger and where it comes from, but I think you’re being unfair and taking it out on the wrong people. And I see why you do that too, because you’ve suffered so much at the hands of your family, and they’ve become one big amalgamous problem in your head, but although they have screwed up family dynamics in common, they are individual people, with their own lives and as much right as you to live those lives. It doesn’t mean that they’re fucking antisocial arseholes, it just means that they put themselves first and are getting on with their lives, and don’t give much thought to you or your situation or your children. And that is a real shame, and they could do better. But that’s not who they are, and I think you need to try and see that and accept it. I’m sorry, though, you’ve had a rough ride and I do feel for you.

AdobeWanKenobi · 14/08/2019 17:19

she can only come at 5pm and only stay for 1 hour, because she'll be leaving for a business trip the next day (which she knew well in advance) and still has to pack. I told her in that case she shouldn't come at all, because first of all I was pissed (she could well have packed before?) and she is basically a stranger to my DC2, who is afraid of strangers. 1 hour would simple be not enough time for my DC to warm up to my sister AND then enjoy her company

Sorry but that's not normal behaviour and it stood out. Your child doesn't need to 'warm' to a stranger, you were out of order and over dramatic with her.

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/08/2019 17:20

You have a dysfunctional family. Your mother and father trained you and your sisters not to be close to one another. They also trained you to look for blame in others and to pass the hot potato round - google karpman triangle. Three parts - victim, perpetrator and rescuer. At one point in time you all play these parts and switch. Eg victim gets upset and lashes out to become perpetrator. It’s a game. You’re actually still playing the game and believe it or not are therefore part of the problem.

You cannot expect your family to be close when they don’t know how to be. This comes from the parents and they didn’t learn how to either so the gaps in their knowledge have been passed to you girls, the next generation.

You say you’re the black sheep / scapegoat. You have therefore been trained to make things go right and smoothly. I don’t think you are completely and have rebelled at times as you have some pretty big expectations on others. I’m a scapegoat. I also had narcissistic traits pre therapy - still do to a certain extent and have to check myself. I also have martyr traits, which I have to quell. You are showing a lot of narcissistic traits yourself as a pp mentioned.

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/08/2019 17:22

Adoke
Really? Some dc do. But it’s still ok for her sister to come for an hour but not to expect the child to communicate with them.

Horehound · 14/08/2019 17:26

You're wrong to assume people should just look after your kids when you need help.

Just plain entitled.

Whybis the father(s) of the kids not around?

IAskTooManyQuestions · 14/08/2019 17:30

I agree with everyone else. The common denominator is YOU.

Oldraver · 14/08/2019 17:35

What's a gyn ?

RainbowAlicorn · 14/08/2019 17:42

Sorry I agree with others, the majority of it is you. At the start of your post I felt sympathy for you, I lost that as I read on though. Just because he is retired doesn't mean you dad doesn't have something else on, plus he could have just not felt upto it. Sorry but you sound a lot like your mum and sister.

thecatinthetwat · 14/08/2019 18:05

I think it’s really hard when family aren’t interested in your children. It does feel shit. However, there is nothing you can do about it. The best thing you can do is accept it.

I think there are a few instances of you being a bit unfair and inflexible but I can understand that, given the resentment you must feel.

I highly recommend therapy as it will help you to get healthier and happier yourself and manage difficult family dynamics too.

ASimpleLampoon · 14/08/2019 18:10

As someone who is the black sheep and scapegoat of an abusive family I felt sorry for you up until you decided to crap on your sister who is autistic (she will not get a diagnosis of Asperger's if in the UK as that is no longer a diagnosis).

People don't "decide" to have Asperger's and telling someone before you get an official diagnosis is a really big act of faith and love. She has trusted you with her vulnerability and you have basically thrown that in her face.

To put this into context for you, I did not even tell my husband I was going for an assessment and until the week before my appointment and I was on the waiting list for a year.

YANBU to think your family is shit. It is. but the only possible ally you have is your autistic sister and you have basically treated her like rubbish.

I feel sorry for you but I urge you to reconsider your attitude towards her. Do your research on autism in women and particularly "masking". I am sure you could do better than this and it would be nice if you could end up salvaging a relationship out of this mess.

I wish both you and your sister the best in life and I hope you understand each other better and move forward.

Madfrogs · 14/08/2019 18:22

Apart from your mum and was is sister 3? You are the problem op.

Where are the dad/s? I know your a signal parent but surely they are still around somewhere.

An hour is fine to pop a present in and say happy birthday. It’s not her fault you held the party on a day that she’s busy. Once again you dad is doing stuff for you and you’ve got all offended. Sister with possible additional needs again is not being unreasonable to not want to move in to your for a night or two to watch your children. Where is the dad? They are his children too or his parents as grandparents to help?

Your self entities attitude would of had me saying good riddance if you told me to fuck off because an hour wasn’t good enough for your royal selfishness.

neverdrinkingagain66 · 14/08/2019 18:50

You sound a bit dramatic and over the top. But your family doesn’t sound great either.

neverdrinkingagain66 · 14/08/2019 18:52

Actually I’ve just read your more recent replies and you come across as a twat.

ICantThinkOfABloodyUsername · 14/08/2019 19:28

I think you’re being unfair and taking it out on the wrong people. And I see why you do that too, because you’ve suffered so much at the hands of your family, and they’ve become one big amalgamous problem in your head, but although they have screwed up family dynamics in common, they are individual people
That makes sense, thank you!

Your child doesn't need to 'warm' to a stranger
I'm glad you know my child better than I do.

google karpman triangle. Three parts - victim, perpetrator and rescuer. At one point in time you all play these parts and switch. Eg victim gets upset and lashes out to become perpetrator. It’s a game. You’re actually still playing the game and believe it or not are therefore part of the problem.

I haven't googled that yet (but certainly will), however from your short description in certainly does sound right! I never denied to be part of the problem when it comes to my sisters.

You say you’re the black sheep / scapegoat. You have therefore been trained to make things go right and smoothly. I don’t think you are completely and have rebelled at times as you have some pretty big expectations on others.
I actually rebelled a lot! Mainly through words by not shutting up. While my sisters once they got older kept their mouths shut (like when my mother uttered something utterly rascist) to keep the peace, I didn't, because I just can't. I also had a phase, I think when I was around 10, when I actively embraced the scapegoat role, thinking "Well, it's my fault anyway, so I can behave however I please". In that phase I was often really horrible towards my younger sisters, hurting them on purpose, destroying things on purpose, because it felt good!

What's a gyn ?
Gynecologist

*until you decided to crap on your sister who is autistic (she will not get a diagnosis of Asperger's if in the UK as that is no longer a diagnosis).

People don't "decide" to have Asperger's and telling someone before you get an official diagnosis is a really big act of faith and love. She has trusted you with her vulnerability and you have basically thrown that in her face.*

My sister is NOT autistic! She thought she was and it was obvious she wanted to be, but the assesment did NOT give her the results she was looking for!
And it certainly wasn't a difficult act of love and faith from her side, believe me! She was very happy and proud about her new idea and it was obvious she enjoyed her acting up. And like I said, she showed some traits she simply couldn't have faked to not habe before! She doesn't suddenly become incapable to understand sarcasm at 35, when she was perfectly capable to understand it before that. And there were other examples of her change in behaviour which were so obviously faked by her, really bad acting!
I didn't throw it in her face either, I never said anything, it just pisses me off.

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Horehound · 14/08/2019 19:32

You just sound like a horrible person. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. How about work on yourself?

Babybrainstill · 14/08/2019 19:34

I bet you feel even worse now posting on here.
All those bored housewives saying the most negative stuff to you...
Well being left out and feeling like that all your life has certainly took its toll...
You can't choose your family....but you can choose your friends...
Boone's lives are perfect....
Hope your come to terms with it all....
And remember,you can't change peoples personalities and who they are...x