AIBU to not understand how a “no deal” is possible given Parliament will vote against it?

[virginmojito]

If this isn’t a daft question please, what do people presume will happen when Parliament rejects the “no deal” scenario that we are almost certainly headed for now.

Will we still crash out by default? Will the government collapse? What will happen?

I have no idea either

Because even if the British Parliament votes against it, we’d have to go back to the EU if we wanted another extension - which they might well not want to give.

If nothing happens we’re leaving on 31 October. It’s the default option.

But what if they did give it, pending a GE?

It’s the default position by law on 31st October. Doesn’t really matter what parliament vote for as law takes precedence. The law would have to be changed to reflect parliaments vote & there isn’t enough time for that to happen. Unfortunately, that’s my understanding from friend who works in the area.

But how can BJ et al push enact legislation that Parliament rejects?

Because in order to prevent it, parliament has to come up with an alternative option that is viable, legal & that they can get through in the now extremely limited time left. They have failed to do this so far.

But what if they did give it, pending a GE?
I’ve assumed that this government won’t seek an extension ergo we will leave with no deal. It’s what they want it seems.

www.theweek.co.uk/63099/parliament-prorogued-what-does-it-mean-and-can-it-be-used-to-push-through-brexit

Parliament do not necessarily need to reject it.

But if the best the govt can come up with is “no deal” and Parliament reject this, then isn’t that the end of this govt (vote if no confidence or similar) and there wouid have to be a general election?

Even if the Government were to fall, if no alternative is in place by 31/10 then we will leave the EU with no deal.

But when BJ has blatantly stood outside no 10 and made his supposedly rousing speech about the doubters being proved wrong blah blah, yet then fails to come up with anything new whatsoever, then surely he will have to stand down? I mean, it would be the biggest political flop in modern history.

They don't need to enact legislation. The legislation to leave has already been passed.

Yes but if Parliament overrule the govt, can’t Parliament request an extension? Or demand a vote on another referendum on the grounds that Parliament has failed?

It doesn't matter what parliament vote for or against. The only way no deal can be prevented now is for the UK to revoke A50 or to reach an agreement with the EU. That agreement could either be: 1). to accept the WA as it stands; 2). an agreement to extend (only if there is a GE or a new referendum), or 3). an agreement to revisit the WA as the UK are stepping back from their red lines. This third option would also require an extension given the short timescale.

The likelihood of 1 or 3 happening is vanishingly small. 2 is possible if there is a vote of no confidence and Johnson asks for an extension for the GE, which I'm not sure he would do.

@virginmojito - Yes but if Parliament overrule the govt, can’t Parliament request an extension? Or demand a vote on another referendum on the grounds that Parliament has failed?

The EU cannot make an agreement with Parliament. They can only deal with the government. As such, I think the request for an extension must come from Johnson.

@virginmojito - then surely he will have to stand down

You're assuming he has some level of integrity and principles. From what I can see, he doesn't have any.

Parliament can vote for anything it likes but due to the arcane way it conducts business there won’t be much time. Anything parliament votes for May or may not suit the EU and the EU may act accordingly.

This is one of the problems with our wanky unwritten constitution

By triggering A50 we triggered the leaving of the EU. If we now want to stay, then only the EU has the power to grant us that.

@Throckmorton
There was a court case on A50 and the EU high court ruled that the U.K. can unilaterally cancel A50 and stay in the EU under the current terms.

Parliament could vote to reject excess pollution. Obviously, such a thing would be very desirable. However, until someone somewhere comes up with a way to actively prevent pollution being created, it will continue to happen. It is currently the default position.

@Throckmorton - By triggering A50 we triggered the leaving of the EU. If we now want to stay, then only the EU has the power to grant us that.

The UK can unilaterally revoke A50 without EU agreement. I can't see it happening though.

Here
“Late last year the European Court of Justice ruled that Britain had the power to revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit.

Here’s everything you need to know about the ruling and how revocation would work in practice.

What is the process for cancelling Article 50?

The process is fairly simple: the government would have to send its notification to the European Council in writing – in much the same way as it started the process. The court says this notification must follow “a democratic process in accordance with national constitutional requirements” – more on that later. The UK would then stay in the EU and there would be no change to its current relationship.”
From independent 8 Jan 2019
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cancel-stop-revoke-article-50-explained-remain-stay-eu-latest-parliament-theresa-may-a8690886.html

The UK can unilaterally revoke A50 without EU agreement. I can't see it happening though.
If we had a snap election with a landslide victory for a remain party or alliance it might - or another referendum to ensure we get the “right” answer his time it might - but I agree both seem unlikely.