is my friend ureasonable for starting a royal mail petition personally i dont think so

[lillaura123]

my friend started a petition on the 10 downing street website about Royal Mail
to Stop them Striking all the time.Please sign it here is the link to sign.
petitions.pm.gov.uk/RoyalMailStrikes/

since we have started signing she has suffered from horrible comments from posties etc - come on girls please help and sign up xx

sweet dreams pendant (if they arrive on time)

There is a special place in hell for Baroness Thatcher. There truly is.

lillaura123... you are so short sighted. Just re-read the thread and think.... please.

btw as for postage costs if rm ceased to exist id rather pay more if i knew things will be delivered and on time..

how can they ask for more money when they dont do the job they are paid for?

at the end of the day u can have a dig at my english - but from a friend who is a postal sorter half of postal workers cant speak engish let alone write it - im not aginst this but does that mean you would disagree with them working for RM due to poor english

Blimey Laura, I am one of the most reviled people on this site usually. People try to bully me, but, like you, I will not back down.

You say that your partner would just get another job. Do you know how hard it is to find jobs that pay men enough money to look after a wife/partner and 3 children these days. Do you not think that your partner should feel that he is working for a decent wage for you and your family.

you could back down on your opinions because you've realised that you've started this whole thing off without having any understanding of the issues, though...

you're so misguided, truly. if your husband decided he wanted another job he might get even less money and benefits every time he moves, don't you understand? because without the strength of a union behind the workers, wages won't rise out of the sense of decency of the managers, they just won't.

when they talk about breaking strikes, btw, they really mean it. they break people. families fall apart, children suffer, people commit suicide, communities die.

and quit with the old stuff, seriously. when i was 22 i wasn't as young as you clearly are.

Laura, I think some of the frustration has arisen because it appears that you are not really taking the views of other people on board.

You don't have to change your views, but the facts given on this thread do affect some of the assertions you made initially.

The petition that your 'friend' started is childish and badly informed. It will certainly not achieve anything other than to irritate the majority of people, and strengthen their support for the postal workers.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinions, and should be able to express them without being insulted.

But a useful debate/discussion does require each opposing side to consider the views and opinions of the other, and adapt their positions accordingly.

Do you think that any rich man should get richer by paying your dp crap money so you have to survive on working family tax credits.

this thread is making me feel very very depressed. Why do i bother with my trade union activites (unpaid)?

Because there are those of us who will still stand up for the rights of the collective, themoon, and even more who will support this.

I like to think so!

read this (inflation is now approx 5700% though so it's alittle outdated) imagine you lived in a country like that........but that if you wanted to protest about ANYTHING \link{http://www.sokwanele.com/images/general/fromrbwebsite.jpg\this happened to you] WARNING not very pleasant pictures (although nothing worse than the BBC has shown in the past)

THAT is why we should be bloody lucky that if you're getting a crp deal at work/being treated like sht you CAN do something about it.

if thats what strikes do then how is it worth it - my dh mum was a nurse for 35 years she didnt go on strike once becuse she couldnt if she had that would have effected her family , made children suffer caused loss of homes, and people would have died she worked to keep her family and home going not other peoples - point relevant to convo is striking doesnt work it doesnt change anything.

btw my husbands line of work isnt one that is without need of new employees there is always an opening for truck drivers so he can pick and choose where, when and who.... this is the same in any line of work if you look and work hard enough - at least working that many hours he can hold his head up high and know that he has earnt every penny

It's deja vu all over again.

Laura, if he drives for a living, there are very stringent rules involved, which probably came about because the truck drivers union argued that you can't make a man drive all bloody night & day without a rest. It could kill him and many others. Do you agree with that bit.

my dHUSBAND (not dp) will not rely on tax credits and will also always be in employment while capable - he works hard and striking would not change that for him.... i do take on board others opinions just hackles up due to personal and pethetic comments

lillaura123.. answer UCM please.

And his working conditions are as they are because of the work of unions who even - [shoke] - staged strikes in order to achieve better, safer conditions.

Things happen to people that make them unable to do their jobs.

Again, because of collective action, there are safety nets in place when this happens to people.

See, when we all just look out for No. 1 and stuff everyone else, when No. 1 ends up getting screwed everyone else doesn't care.

When we all muck in, however, we learn some important lessons and we have more power as a team.

my dh does adhere to the 48 hour driving rule , which was put in place by the european commission so the uk gets in line with europe - driving time and working time are two different things u can work 15 hours a day as long as your only driving for 10 hours twice a week and 9 the rest. sorry thought i was accused of getting involved about a discussion i knew nothig about whos doing it now????

lillaura123.. answer UCM please.

lillaura123.. answer UCM please.. and think about why it was put in place by European union.

i said 'breaking' strikes. not strikes. companies or industries using their vast reserves to dig in for the forseeable and basically starve people back to work.

anyway, and now i am going to get personal - you really are being an idiot about this. if enough immigrant workers get drivers' licences and are prepared to work for minimum wage while they find their feet in this country, and bosses are prepared to stick a tomtom in every truck, then you and your family will be squarely fucked, with or without a union tbh. we all exist on that knife edge at the moment. my job, you would think, is utterly, totally, unmistakeably of this country but i know that there have been high-level talks about relocating much of the work to India.

but that's life, like you say, under the rabid global capitalism we live with. shame that you can't see that it's not universally a good thing, but i fear you will one day...

Yes, you see, but Laura, without things like working time directives and the likes, your DH's bosses could demand that he drive 15 hours/day. Every day.

And it wouldn't matter whom he worked for, because they'd all do that.

Because there was no reason for them not to.

But Laura, I am genuinely not being nasty. Your Dh works so many hours a week. Thank goodness he doesn't do too many or he could fall asleep at the wheel. Do you agree that Drivers should take a break every 4 hours or miles or whatever it is?

personally with out the 48 hour rule - i think its the same as any driver even on cars surely it just as unsafe for a mother of a baby who doesnt sleep at night to do the school run - in the long run even without the rule my dh would be sensible enough not to drive when tired - he took his job on knowing these rules and the pay as did the postpersons