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is my friend ureasonable for starting a royal mail petition personally i dont think so

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lillaura123 · 03/08/2007 21:35

my friend started a petition on the 10 downing street website about Royal Mail
to Stop them Striking all the time.Please sign it here is the link to sign.
petitions.pm.gov.uk/RoyalMailStrikes/

since we have started signing she has suffered from horrible comments from posties etc - come on girls please help and sign up xx

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LowFatPumpkinJuice · 06/08/2007 18:16

spelling and grammar are not my problem....tyoing quickly so my boss doesnt catch me, or I have to see to child is!

If any tests there should be one for rudeness and not abiding by the swearing policy!

LowFatPumpkinJuice · 06/08/2007 18:16

Oooh see - just like that!

littlelapin · 06/08/2007 18:20

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LowFatPumpkinJuice · 06/08/2007 18:21

Oh Buggle!

lillaura123 · 06/08/2007 18:23

swearing policy? thats funny at the beginning of thr thread i used sybols to cover a swear word and was told by someone (UCM ithink - but not sure who now) that its ok to swear on here ??? query this now???

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littlelapin · 06/08/2007 18:49

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Saturn74 · 06/08/2007 22:20
filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 06/08/2007 22:21

humf-sounds like a fab idea for a site though doesn't it? i'd LOVE to be a member!!!!

Saturn74 · 06/08/2007 22:22
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paganprincess · 07/08/2007 08:16

I see that i maybe posting this late hey you can even call me a RM postperson, but it has taken me a long time to get through the post that were trying to get quick points. Ive noticed that obviously people have different opinions but a question to the people who are against the petiton Have you been affected by the strike at all? I do apologise in advance if my punctuation isnt up to scratch but tbh i aint arsed xxx

Bluestocking · 07/08/2007 12:30

Indeed I am "one hell of a bitch", Pennymay, and if you observe and emulate my methods closely, one day you will be as bitchy as me.

filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 07/08/2007 12:34

bluestocking-would you like to be a memeber of out 'stuck up brainy bitches' website?

or rather , our ''stuck up brainey acts bitchs'.' website??

fedupwasherwoman · 07/08/2007 12:37

Not particularly affected by the strike pagan, I would use a courier service if I had to get something somewhere by a deadline.

I often use the RM's guaranteed next day service as I've found that first class often means diddly squat as far as RM are concerned and can't be relied upon where deadlines are concerned.

elkiedee · 07/08/2007 13:21

One of the trade unionist strike supporters posting here. So far I must confess that I haven't been affected by the strikes, I'm not all that sure which days are strike days and whether our postman is scabbing. Yes, I do use that word.

I've been inconvenienced most by public transport strikes in the past, but if say the tube is out I get the bus and then walk as best I can. I wouldn't want to get on a train or tube on strike days, on principle and on safety grounds - the overcrowding is worse and I don't want to be on a train being driven by someone whose knowledge of doing so is out of date and not maintained by ongoing practice and training.

Now I have a baby I may well find that a strike by teachers or school support staff has a negative impact on me, but I would still support the strike.

I've seen the after-effects of a losing/lost strike on people and heard about them on the communities they come from.

Finally scab isn't a nice word, but nor is it nice. When we had a dispute in local government which involved a number of one day strikes over quite a long period, I really felt angry with some of my colleagues who crossed the picket line for a long time. More so with those who were union members and claimed to support the strike but then couldn't be arsed to put their money where their mouths were. And it was rarely the lowest paid who went in.

paganprincess · 07/08/2007 19:09

I personally am against the strike and have been effected by them. And have signed the petiton, but i do understand and am fully aware of why they are striking, but when it is a public service that the majority of the nation does support i do fell that there are alternative ways of getting a point.
elkiedee i do find someone calling a person a scab a highly offense word to use, it almost put it on the same level as someone calling a person a c*t or t*t, which im sure alot of people would agree with. were does somebody like yourself get off calling someone that. If it was your child in 20 or so years time with a family and trying to support them, i think you would be annoyed if not slightly pissed off. If that was the case would personally support them and their family through that time of finacial hardship whilst they were on strike, ie- pay rent, food, bills etc?

TnOgu · 07/08/2007 19:28

LL - I too love Billy Bragg.

One of my favourite songs is, Between The Wars.

UCM · 07/08/2007 20:19

I would never, ever in my life call someone a scab for not striking. What I might do though, is remind them that no, they cannot have an extra half hour lunch break because there are enough workers there to cover it.

meandmyflyingmachine · 07/08/2007 20:27

I don't understand the petition.

"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Stop Royal Mail going on postal strikes all the time"

By removing the postal workers right to strike, which would be and could only really be suggested by someone with a pretty poor grasp of history surely?

Or by listening to their grievances and acting on them, thereby removing the perceived need to strike?

elkiedee · 07/08/2007 20:53

On calling strike breakers "scabs"

I haven't shouted the word "scab" at someone crossing the picket line, because it's not my style, and because we're advised to engage in very polite persuasion. However, I have been adversely affected by strikes where I've gone on strike and others have crossed the picket line, including people who voted for action, people who were happy to take what money we did win despite their action. Their actions hurt me.

People who expect the union to look after them but then go into work when there's a strike on, and people who don't join the union until they're in trouble, have had aI have had more abuse from people going into work than I've dished out, including an incident which another colleague who went in commented on next day - she thought HE was really rude.

I've been called c* and bitch etc in arguments, often very hurtfully. But scab isn't a swearword, it is a short, simple and negative word used to criticise the choice made not to support your colleagues in action.

I might not speak it but I think it, I might not say it aloud but I defend the rights of those who do.

I like Between the Wars - one of Billy Bragg's own compositions about trade union struggles.

On the same original recording he sang a version of Which Side Are You On?

"My family suffer but it hurts me more to hear a scab say 'Sod you Jack'//Which side are you on?"

It was written by a woman in a US mining area in the 1960s - the scene of struggles between workers and companies. She herself faced threats and incidents which looked a lot like attempts to murder her and silence her permanently so she couldn't speak out about and organise against what mining companies were doing.

TnOgu · 07/08/2007 21:07

Elkie - Tis important to remember that together we build a better future for us all, isn't it?

PSCMUM · 08/08/2007 09:29

o well pagan princes, as long as everyone just looks out for Number 1 we'll all be alright won't we. It must have been really hard not getting your post on time, much much harder than having to work in poor working conditions for rubbish pay, and often cover the work of 3 people whilst only being paid 1 salary. If only the silly postal workers knew what hardship they were putting you thru, I'm sure they'd stop immediately. How selfish they are.

expatinscotland · 08/08/2007 09:38

Wow, all the pagans I know have a great deal of community spirit. You're a real anomaly, 'princess'.

Here's my question to you. You look out for Number 1. Okay. What happens when the shit hits the fan for Number 1 and, for one reason or another, you're in a very tight bind and need some help.

Would you turn it down because you're so self-sufficient?

Leati · 08/08/2007 09:46

lillaura123,

Striking is how these people get fair money and benefits. It is often the ONLY bargaining chip employees have when it come to getting fair wages, fair raises in pay, and fair benefits. Would you really take that away from them?

paganprincess · 08/08/2007 15:03

expat, yes myself and fellow pagans do have a great deal of community spirit, but that doesnt mean that i cannot be against the strike? And if you must shit has hit the fan so to speak in my life but that doesnt mean i purely look out for number 1 as you put it. I ask you to read my orginal post again, and as other people have stated it is a public service that the majority of the nation does support i do fell that there are alternative ways of getting a point across. TBTH i do think that the petiton should not be taken up with parliament but with the Queen herself as it is a service that she is leader of. I ask again to people who have decided to jump on the band wagon of critising people opinions and view - have you been personally effected by the strike?

lillaura123 · 08/08/2007 15:54

one word - stereotypical - and if anyone is unsure what that means let me explain somebody who judges one by a whole group expecting all to be and do the same

Pagan dont let them upset you with that as i said b4 if there is one thing ive learnt in this thread its how people dig at personal things because they dont like the way their views are not always shared .

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