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Competitive child

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Glovesick · 13/08/2019 09:05

My DD and best friend also 5 are at holiday clubs together. I am taking and collecting all week.

Friend is a boastful child, my DD is cautious, doesn't like too much praise in case she can't live up to it, but is quietly confident in her abilities, so long as he can practice and master them away from an audience. Friend invites praise for absolutely everything, from putting her own seatbelt on to doing her coat up.

I absolutely hate it. At pick up yesterday, I asked if they had a good day, friend said "yes, I was better than DD at x". This morning she was telling me her mum worked much harder than I do, her kitchen is better, she can do x y z better than DD. Then there is the " Can DD do this, because I can and I bet she can't".

I have said repeatedly I don't want to hear it, everyone has things they are good at. I have told her parents, who say "yeah, friend, don't do that".

It is exhausting. My DD has learnt to ignore it and doesn't retaliate. I have to bite my tongue.

Anyone found a good way to deal with this?

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Topsecretidentity · 13/08/2019 17:42

Completely agree @Teddybear45. She's only 5 so may yet get more refined but hopefully won't lose the outward confidence.

Thistly · 13/08/2019 17:55

Op please come back in a few years and tell us how this plays out!
I think it is a shame that we live in a world where obnoxious, belligerent, over confident people are the successful ones and the quiet observant reflective ones are not likely to get positions where they can use their skills to benefit society.
I wonder what can be done to change that?

But in the mean time it seems like some of Mn think this child is being brought up a fragile ego who will become less accepted in time and who will continue to crush others’ in order to boost herself.
Others think it is just a really young kid at an unpleasant stage and this kid will be confident and successful in th future.

OP, promise you’ll come back on in a few years and tell us which one it is!

Paddingtonthebear · 13/08/2019 18:00

She’s only 5 and will probably grow out of it but I would be tempted to say jollily “nobody likes a show off, dear” 😆

soberfabulous · 13/08/2019 18:01

Our DD and next door neighbour's son have exactly the same dynamic, he's the competitive one. Everything he has is better, he can do better etc etc. he even tries to claim he is older than Dd (he isn't and he knows this.) it's very tiring.

What behavior is happening at home to make these kids so weirdly competitive?

Oh and he's one of three and she's an only (as am I!).

I really don't like these lazy criticisms of only children.

macpumpkin1 · 13/08/2019 18:06

Soberfabulous-Is he a middle child?!

Glovesick · 13/08/2019 18:54

Both DD and friend are only children.

Will update you in 5 years time....

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woodhill · 13/08/2019 19:10

My bf from school who I like has always been like this. She's always done it better and still boasts. she now does it through our dc.

I really like her as I think this stems from insecurities as a child and she has many good points too.

GreenTulips · 13/08/2019 19:10

What you think is annoying now will eventually polish into the ability of that girl to get noticed for her work

Or she’ll suddenly find out she isn’t the best at everything and the world doesn’t evolve round her and she has no social skills and she’ll be totally crushed.

Aprillygirl · 13/08/2019 19:12

" Oh my goodness you do show off a lot don't you?"
"Uh oh you're showing off again?"
"No more showing off please."

Just keep on repeating phrases like the above at her, in a light tone of voice. I suspect it will then soon become a jokey thing until all you have to say is "Uh!" to maker her stop in her tracks and probably have her giggling too Smile

Youmadorwhat · 13/08/2019 19:23

Yeah it’s quite common for 5/6/7 year old girls to behave this way at times. My 5 year old does it, she thinks she’s great at everything, what surprises me more is that you (as an adult) actually let this bother you!! Hmm

ChicCroissant · 13/08/2019 19:30

A child like that moved into my DD's class at school. She thought she was the mutts nuts at everything, also tended to criticise other people's houses (our is much bigger than this) and on at least two occasions did a child version of a Wendy on pairs/groups of children who had been friends for years (before child moved on to someone else). The inability to keep a friend for long was a concern to her parents but IMO she was learning that behaviour off one of them (and I avoided them both wherever possible tbh!).

emwantsbiscuits · 13/08/2019 20:03

YANBU this behaviour would drive me nuts. It’s so rude. I’m glad that her parents pull her up on it but sadly it doesn’t sound like it’s working. Hopefully it’s a phase :/

thecatinthetwat · 13/08/2019 20:08

The kids I’ve seen do this have one or often both parents doing it too.

I feel sorry for them because in my experience they end up quite disliked. And whilst I’ve seen a fair few of them turn out to be quite successful, they’re usually adults who are disliked and seem pretty unhappy.

Some showing off at 5 is normal but we all know the ones who take it too far.

piefacedClique · 13/08/2019 20:09

Oh Christ.... I’ve been at a tennis competition with one of these today! He’s 9 and he even got in to this nonsense with my 4 year old! After months of it... I snapped with a ‘oh do shut up! She’s 4 for goodness sakes and you are 9!’ He’s a deeply unpleasant child and a carbon copy of his parents! Most parents weren’t surprised today and there were lots of stifled giggles as he repeatedly smacked his racket on the floor after losing points! Cue another massive bollocking from his dad when he came off court! It’s very sad really!nobody wants to play with him as he’s so competitive and has to win EVERYTHING! Even when they have a kick about after training he has to win and cries if he doesn’t! My patience went with him long ago! I’m glad that he’s been selected for the ‘elite group’ as he calls it.... or the next age group as states on the schedule... and my son will train at a different time from him next term. I caught him taking the piss out my child today as he dropped a point but at least my child lost with grace!

piefacedClique · 13/08/2019 20:10

Apologies all! Rang over! God it felt good to get that off my chest! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

thecatinthetwat · 13/08/2019 20:11

Sorry forgot to actually say, I would respond by stating (for the benefit of your own child) whatever you want your dd to internalise. E.g. ‘it doesn’t really matter whose better, just work hard to meet your own goals, whatever they may be’.

NameChange84 · 13/08/2019 21:09

My oldest child Niece was like this from a very young age. Sadly even at 6, it was putting a lot of the adults in the family off her and they’d come out with things like “I cannot take to that little girl. She’s such a brag and she glowers at you if you don’t agree she’s the best thing since sliced bread at everything.” Even though I was only a teenager myself I kept reminding them she was a child and a family member and the adults should be ashamed of their attitude to her.

Unfortunately the boasting, bragging and superiority continued. I’m probably the closest of all the family to her but if ever I do well at something or look nice at an event, she stops talking to me! She’s incredibly jealous of other girls and will do the same thing of not talking to them if they look nice or if they are good at the same hobbies as her. Eg, if she has to watch another girl do a dance solo at her college she glowers and looks murderous and will stop speaking to anyone who says the girl did a good job. When she’s round for dinner, I have to listen to her go on while I’m cooking saying “and EVERYONE was saying that I was the most beautiful girl at the party and this local beauty queen was saying “you’re stunning, you’re so stunning, really it’s you who should be the beauty queen. Whenever I’m around you I feel so in awe of you because everything about you is flawless.” or “everyone says I’m the best dancer in town and that i’ll be on the TV. Katie only got on the TV because her Dad’s brother’s friend knows someone and he pushed her forward. People were saying it was a travesty. An absolute travesty. They were all saying they were in tears for me. When I did the solo at the talent competition everyone was crying and I got a standing ovation because I was so good.”

Did I mention she’s 18?

I’d agree with a previous poster that she’s had a desperately unhappy childhood and as a result she puts on an air of bravado and superiority to everyone. She’s started to twig that it’s not working out for her and it’s very very sad. At her college leaving events, 18th etc she didn’t have many people who wanted to invite her or be there or go with her to things. She’s started to realise she won’t be famous and that she’s going to have to work and not have things handed to a plate very, very recently and it’s come as a huge shock. She always thought she wouldn’t have to study because she was going to be world famous.

I think it was a coping method for her growing up, escaping to a world where she was more beautiful, talented and special than everyone else. Disturbingly there is also a big “I can out drink/out shock/out risk taking behaviour everyone” going on too.

My sibling did play a huge role in all of this and there’s definitely an attitude of “no one can ever say anything negative about my oldest child” and the younger siblings are scapegoats who are constantly criticised. Niece was never ever told no. Unfortunately, she’s now realising the world often gives you no’s and can’t handle it.

There’s a fine line. I was brought up to never ever tell anyone about my achievements, to turn down opportunities, to hide away. When big success came my way, I didn’t know how to handle it as I didn’t have the personality to talk myself up or the ability to handle the attention that came with it. Everything was labelled as attention seeking, no one likes a show off behaviour and I was told I must be humble, seen but not heard. NEVER tell anyone your results/achievements etc. It made me into a pushover, who has turned down incredible opportunities and never felt worthy of success or, crucially, love. Even now, I don’t even tell immediate family members when I’m on TV or playing a lead in a show that they could come and see me in. I’ve never been able to handle relationships because I don’t like attention, I’m ok giving but can’t receive so I’ve ended up in one sided relationships with cold, cruel men.

I think in both cases, brags and chronically shy kids, if we’d been loved for who we were a bit more and given safety and stability in knowing we were appreciated just for being there, alive then we would have turned out different. Well adjusted with no need to neither brag or shy away.

The child is unhappy. She’s being raised in a dysfunctional way. I wish I’d told my niece that it’s rude to boast and put others down at 5 but also ask her why she thought she did that. I’ve not done her any favours as she’s now an unhappy young adult. You are also creating an unfortunate situation with your own DD where she’ll feel crap about herself if this “friend” is continuing to boast around her at her expense. Do say “it’s not friendly to say x about dd. Dd is wonderful at many things but we know it’s very rude to boast. It’s great that you are confident but really confident and kind people don’t have to put others down to feel better about themselves. You are special but so is everyone, including DD. If you continue to be unkind to DD then maybe we should stop play dates etc until you change your behaviour.”

Merryoldgoat · 13/08/2019 21:20

My 6yo and his friends don’t even vaguely talk about reading levels or stuff - they talk about Spider-Man, Super Mario, films they want to see and the games they make up together.

I’m struggling with the characterisation of ‘friend’ here - seems odd for a 5yo.

Thistly · 13/08/2019 21:55

Thanks Glove!

Crotchgoblins · 13/08/2019 23:07

My 4yo is very competitive and about the most ridiculous things. Who ate thier dinner the quickest, who gets picked up from nursery 1st etc. I have never encouraged this and any praise she gets is for preserving with something hard and being a good friend like helping her friend climb up a bouncy slide. Etc

It's quite irritating bring the parent and however much I try and install sportsmanship or emphasise something else she struggles.im hoping it will eventually sink in soon!

YesImStressed · 13/08/2019 23:14

Oh gosh, my DS is a little like this. He's quite likeable and has a lovely caring side, but he is extremely competitive. I've tried really hard with getting him to tone it down. I don't really know where he gets it from as DH and I are really self critical and the least likely braggers ever! DS2 is also very under stated. But DS1 is just extremely out there! Super confident, and very proud of himself all the time and v.v.competitive. It is quite tricky having a kid like this, and please don't automatically assume the kid is a bad kid (you say he's only 5), or the parents must be terrible parents. In my case, DH and I have been trying to manage this trait in DS since he was tiny, and we continue to try and help him reduce this competitive streak.

StillSurviving · 13/08/2019 23:16

Can I just say, the nickname mentioned upthread, "boasty the mosty " is comic genius and I will be using it on my own children when necessary !

soberfabulous · 14/08/2019 07:46

macpumpkin no he's the eldest.

I laughed at another story on here: he evens comes into our house and says "our house is bigger"

WE LIVE IN EXACTLY THE SAME HOUSE.

JacquesHammer · 14/08/2019 07:48

Anyone found a good way to deal with this?

I told mine to be kind to the girl who was doing the same - she obviously feels bad about herself and is trying to make herself feel better.

Time is a great leveller. She tried it all the way through school until DD passed an entrance exam and she didn’t, despite bragging for weeks she’d find it easy. Poor kid, her parents are really doing her a disservice.

AJPTaylor · 14/08/2019 07:58

Dd1 Had a friend like that at aged 5. She is a lovely adult! I corrected her whenever necessary and would gently point out things like "It's a game of chance" when she boasted about winning a board game.