To wonder why the disappearance of Nora Quoirin....

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Is not getting far more media coverage?

I can’t look at Kate McCann’s grief-stricken face without feeling tearful actually. I think her pain is etched across every feature.

It’s hardly relevant though.

Or depending on her understanding she might just have gone off happily with someone ,my son certainly would if someone held his hand he's nine and severely autistic and very vulnerable

Mine would too. No matter how many discussions we have had about strangers, tricky adults, risky situations, and never, ever wandering off without telling me first he would still go off with someone if they could spin him a plausible tale about why it was a great idea to go with them. I really hope someone hasn't lured her away and that they find her soon.

So it's ok to call me a fucknugget and a cunt, when you don't know me and don't know anything about me or my life, but it's not ok for me to say politely that I felt a pull of empathy and can't imagine what Nora's mum is going though, but I didn't see the same pain in Maddie's mum's eyes, because she was perhaps holding things together for her twins.

Mumsnet is weird sometimes

By the way, ive not heard if a fucknugget before, but actually starting to quite like the term!!

*of not if!

I said your comments were cuntish - and they most certainly were. Deciding who looks most pain ravaged is not a discussion anyone else wants to have, unless they are a complete twat. And yes, it is weird to think that you may do so without being called out for it.

Have a think about it.

The recent documentary on MM changed my opinion of her parents, looking at the clips now they looked absolutely traumatised.

And maybe the press learned lessons from that, and have decided not to pick apart these parents like vultures, like they did with MM.

I think Maddie Mcann had waaaaay too much coverage and still does, and I just could never see in her parents the pain I see in Nora's mum's eyes

Give over. You wrote this. It’s nasty. If your child went missing, at what point, I wonder, would you think their case had had enough coverage?

Yes she might have, but why take her and not one of the other younger children sleeping in the same room?

Unfortunately, I can fairly easily imagine why someone would choose a 15 year old girl over younger children.

It's incredibly sad but I'm not sure what else they can do, it was on the radio 2 bulletin, over 200 people searching including indigenous trackers. There's no conclusive evidence whether she opened the window and climbed out to go and see something, or someone coerced her to open it even.

I thought on mumsnet it was safe to express your opinions politely. I see mumsnet as a bit like having a conversation with friends in a pub. If I was in a pub with friends Id talk about how I feel about the Nora case because it's really affected me and I just feel so sad for the parents and a real pull of empathy. I'd also talk about how I feel about this in relation to the Maddie case because there are some big similarities and the Maddie case has been back in the news again with others drawing paralells.

I feel really differently about the two cases and I'd want to talk about that so I can understand those feelings and so I can have them (politely) challenged and hear other views.

I would never think to call someone in real life or otherwise, a twat or a cunt or a fucknuggett or anything else. I wouldnt call people this in real life and nor would I on a forum and nor would I in the pub with friends.

I don't see why we should be one way in real life, but another in an online space.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone (clearly I have), I thought it was a safe space to express my views.

I see mumsnet as a bit like having a conversation with friends in a pub

Only if you want to let the whole pub know what you're thinking. If you were having this conversation with friends in the pub would you then tell every single person in the pub what you thought/where your empathise lie ? Because that's what MN is - the whole pub, not just your friends sitting at the same table.

empathy lies not empathise lies

See, I would call someone a fucknugget IRL under certain circumstances, but I definitely wouldn't make hurtful half-baked pronouncements on how much pain I thought I could see in the eyes of a mother who had lost her child in the most horrendous way.

Horses for courses.

Totally agree this is a horrendous case.

Her poor parents and siblings

Well if the whole pub was joining the conversation, then yes I'd share my views politely with whoever was joining the conversation. If someone took offence, I'd apologise (and I am genuinely apologising now that I have mis-judged what I can and can't say, and have offended people. I'm sorry). I wouldn't swear at anyone in the pub without knowing them and when they'd been nothing but polite to me and were simply expressing an opinion. But like you say Greensleeves , you would. I guess we r just different. I'd rather be me. You'd rather be you! All good!

I guess we r

It's so awful, why haven't they found her? It seems such a remote place for an abduction but her family say she would not wander off. She could be scared of the searchers.

So much time has elapsed. I don’t think they can possibly find her now. I can’t imagine she’d be hiding from rescuers at this point. They’d have found her. It’s so harrowing but it’s becoming clear she’s been kidnapped. It surely can’t be that hard to narrow down the people who had any interaction with the family or passed through the resort in the very short time they were there.

I looked at the place on TripAdvisor and one review was complaining about no locks and no staff after 7pm.

If she has wandered off it's too long without water. Maybe then reward will help.

I feel desperately sorry for her and her family. An article in The Standard said that she's enormously proud to speak both English and French, but her verbal communication is limited. I think that, along with the other details of her needs, means that she wouldn't be like a 15 year old in terms of going missing/being abducted. If my 13 year old went missing, I'd be telling the search team to think of her as a 6 year old, because her development is more like that in terms of her spontaneous skills. She got lost going to the toilet 5 minutes away, after being coached on the route many times - as soon as she was alone, she lost that knowledge.

I'm in no way religious but I will say a little prayer tonight, send it out onto the universe that this beautiful child is found, somehow, safe and well.
The absolute agony her parents are in right now, I could cry for them. Poor sweet child.

Let's hope for a miracle

🤞🤞☘️🙏🌠please let you be found safe and well tonight Nora