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To be shocked and horrified by the shit exchange rate?

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BrexitBingoGenerator · 03/08/2019 19:55

Thanks Boris.

We are in France this week- it’s cost us over 80 quid to fill the car and our food shops are extortionate. A bag of oranges was nearly £5 and it cost £50 for three of us to go to the waterpark. A Belgian family there said that they have just come back from Britain and stocked up on shoes, clothes and even Christmas presents for their family because the euro to sterling exchange rate is now so good (for them, not for us).
Everything seems so much more expensive than this time last year- is this what we are to expect now?

Living the brexit - brink dream 🙄

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Happysummer2020 · 04/08/2019 00:53

Just pointing out that unless op was there last time in about 2015 it's not that different.
What does that even mean?

The exchange rate is crap right now and there is no defending that reality.

ilovesooty · 04/08/2019 01:05

@bluegirlgreen if this thread bores you so much why have you come back?

WhenOhWhenWillIThisBeOver · 04/08/2019 01:08

Yes it's crap and will almost certainly get worse.

But France has been expensive for years. Taxes are higher, gas/elec is more expensive, council tax equivalents are expensive (150 euros a year just for rubbish collection, and they don't even collect the recycling!), there are road tolls, and yes, food is expensive. My groceries are 100 euros a week and I'm pretty careful. Fruit and veg are also seasonal here, while the U.K. food industry has forgotten what the word means. It means that buying oranges in France in August is not a smart economic move; nectarines, apricots, melons, cucumbers, tomatoes and courgettes are in season and very reasonably priced at the moment.

Wish I could be smug and say we are well out of it, but a world of French beaurocracy awaits (thanks Boris Hmm).

tripletrouble · 04/08/2019 02:31

I agree with a previous poster who said that a weaker pound gives people a more realistic idea of prices in the country they are visiting. It used to make me cringe when British people used to go on and on about how cheap it was to travel in my home country- when it wasn’t cheap at all to the people who lived there, it was just that their currency was weaker. So holiday makers from abroad were living it up in luxurious hotels that locals could never have afforded and eating extravagant meals, all the tome exclaiming what good value they were getting! It just didn’t seem right.

dimsum123 · 04/08/2019 05:54

@bluegirlgreen, never say never! Politics is so unpredictable at the moment, anything could happen. I don't think we'll be leaving on Halloween, and whilst this limbo is awful, the further we get from the referendum, the greater the chances that we don't leave.Smile

missclimpson · 04/08/2019 06:30

The pound has been at a consistently low level since the Brexit vote. At the beginning of 2016, it was about 1.33. Immediately before the vote it was 1.26. Immediately after the vote it went down to 1.16. It the three years since the vote it has never regained the level it was at before the vote.
It was very low for a period after the 2008 financial crisis, but has never remained so consistently low for such a long period.
We are Brit pensioners in France and have all our income / expenditure / exchange rate on spreadsheets. We know how much Brexit is costing and it isn't pretty.
I expect somebody will be along to say that you shouldn't move to France if you expect the exchange rate to remain high. We didn't and we don't. However, we did not expect the UK to embark on and sustain a mission for economic suicide.

BillieEilish · 04/08/2019 06:38

LOL at going on holiday in Italy and buying Starbucks.

You are just a bit simple!

catgirl1976 · 04/08/2019 07:24

I’m in Italy right now. Got here last night and did a shop in the market and was genuinely shocked at the difference from last year. Although obviously this was always going to happen and is only going to get worse. Cost me nearly £50 for not very much at all. Wine I think has pretty much doubled. Cannot get my head around people who support Brexit

PooWillyBumBum · 04/08/2019 07:31

@gamesanddaisychains please tell me more about your extended trip! Or start a thread on a travel board. I want to know more!

ImogenTubbs · 04/08/2019 07:34

Oh god, don't. I live in Europe but get paid in Sterling. Nothing I can do about it except tighten my belt!

missclimpson · 04/08/2019 07:40

@ImogenTubbs we find the spreadsheet modelling really helpful. All our expected income / expenditure is in there and we model it on a (pessimistic) exchange rate. We currently have the exchange rate modelled at parity for the next three months. It doesn't make you better off, but you can see where budgets have to be adjusted and economies have to be made. I do realise that for some people I know, there is nothing more they can do.

MissCharleyP · 04/08/2019 09:10

Billie Well, aren’t you a delight? Aside from it was in Barcelona on my friends hen do and it was her choice that we (around 12 of us) went there each morning before that days activity, I didn’t have any say in the matter. Don’t really see what it has to do with you where people you don’t know buy a drink.

scaryteacher · 04/08/2019 09:28

Prices have been on the rise in Belgium for some time, so that's not Brexit related. There is 21% VAT on electricity and gas (the former was raised because too much had been paid for feed in tariffs for solar panels, so all of us got to pay for that). Bread is around €2-€2.50 per 800g loaf, and milk about €2-2.50 for fresh per litre, depending where you go.

Water bills seem cheap to me, but then home is in Cornwall, where they are high.

Bin collection is expensive, but then, the gemeente we live in charges by the kg for your waste. We have barcodes on the wheelie bins...you fill the bin, it gets weighed as it goes on the lorry, and your bill arrives every 8 weeks or so. For the recycling, collection is free, but you pay for the roll of bags into which you put the recycling.

Food is more expensive here, but that has always been the case. One of dh's former colleagues used to find it cheaper to go back to the UK with his wife and kids, pay for the ferry, book a night in a Premier Inn, than to shop in Belgium. This was in about 2010-2013. I still hit Sainsbury before I get on the ferry, especially when I want cheddar. I'd rather pay £9 per kg in Sainsbury than a minimum of €24 over here.

To the PP who said she shopped before skiing in France each year, don't try it this year. No meat, cheese. milk etc can be brought in wef 01.01.19.

missclimpson · 04/08/2019 09:45

@scaryteacher I am not sure what you are saying in your last sentence about skiing? As fas as I know you can still bring all of those things into France from the UK. (I brought cheese and pork pies home with me last week). I didn't see the original post so apologies if I have misunderstood.

SkelterHelter · 04/08/2019 09:52

I’m in Italy right now. Got here last night and did a shop in the market and was genuinely shocked at the difference from last year. Although obviously this was always going to happen and is only going to get worse. Cost me nearly £50 for not very much at all. Wine I think has pretty much doubled. Cannot get my head around people who support Brexit

The exchange rate this time last year was under 3 cents worse than today. Whatever is making your wine 'pretty much double', it isn't the exchange rate. By all means complain about brexit, I agree, but so many posts in this thread are based on ignorance around the current cost of living in Europe, particularly France.

TheFridgeRaider · 04/08/2019 10:02

The exchange rate is crap right now and there is no defending that reality.

Yes, it is and no one is denying it, but again, it's few cents compare to last year. So not being able to afford the wine is not because of that unless OP went last time in 2015 and is comparing now with that time.
Again. Don't like Brexit, not a fan of Boris, but you really can't blame everything on it. It just causes misinformation amongst people.
Cost of food and alcohol rise everywhere. In fact many food items are either same cost or even cheaper than where I am from. And we are not France or Italy.

fussychica · 04/08/2019 10:19

Have a European holiday coming up. I have some euros but not enoughSad. To be honest once the rate falls below about 1.15 I think of everything in pounds. Fortunately Spain is still a bit cheaper the the UK for most things even thinking along these lines. We find France very expensive and even Portugal is no longer cheap.

BillieEilish · 04/08/2019 12:25

What is horrible about saying if you go to Italy, don't buy coffee for 5/6 euros, in Starbucks?

Have a proper cappuccino (without chocolate, which is an American invention) for 2 euros in a bar FFS.
It's just intelligent thinking.

They banned Starbucks in Rome,, when I lived there IIRC.

madeyemoodysmum · 04/08/2019 12:32

It’s only a few pence worse than last year. Maybe prices in France have gone up too.

madeyemoodysmum · 04/08/2019 12:33

I think Europe been expensive since the euro. The only countries that seem cheap now are turkey Poland etc. Holiday destinations forget it.

BillieEilish · 04/08/2019 12:37

madeye, YY to this, I was living in Rome when the euro 'came in' at midnight. Everything doubled!

madeyemoodysmum · 04/08/2019 12:42

Re Ireland. I went in 2011 and prices were shocking They have the euro.
I paid at leat a third more in Tesco’s than I’d pay at home for the same shop. Entry prices for attraction were double to a similar attraction in England. I’m never going to Ireland again for a holiday .

scaryteacher · 04/08/2019 13:27

MissClimpson All the signs are up at Dunkirk, or they were last weekend showing what you are not allowed to bring in. This was published some time ago, so I went back just before the March deadline to stock up for my last 6 months here.

Due to the risk of introducing diseases into the European Union (EU), there are strict procedures for the introduction of certain animal products into the EU. These procedures do not apply to the movements of animal products between the 27 Member States of the EU, or for animal products coming from Andorra, Liechtenstein, Norway, San Marino, and Switzerland.
All animal products not conforming to these rules must be surrendered on arrival in the EU for official disposal. Failure to declare such items may result in a fine or criminal prosecution.

  1. Small quantities of meat and milk and their products (other than powdered infant milk, infant food, and special foods or special pet feed required for medical reasons)
You may only bring in or send to the EU personal consignments of meat and milk and their products (other than powdered infant milk, infant food, and special foods or special pet feed required for medical reasons) provided that they come from , the Faeroe Islands, Greenland, or Iceland, and their weight does not exceed 10 kg per person.
  1. Powdered infant milk, infant food, and special foods required for medical reasons
You may only bring in or send to the EU personal consignments of powdered infant milk, infant food, and special foods required for medical reasons provided that: — they come from the Faeroe Islands, Greenland, or Iceland, and their combined quantity does not exceed the weight limit of 10 kg per person, and that: — the product does not require refrigeration before consumption, — it is a packaged proprietary brand product, and — the packaging is unbroken unless in current use — they come from other countries (other than the Faeroe Islands, Greenland, or Iceland), and their combined quantity does not exceed the weight limit of 2 kg per person, and that: — the product does not require refrigeration before consumption, — it is a packaged proprietary brand product, and — the packaging is unbroken unless in current use.
  1. Pet feed required for medical reasons
You may only bring in or send to the EU personal consignments of pet feed required for medical reasons provided that: — they come from the Faeroe Islands, Greenland, or Iceland, and their combined quantity does not exceed the weight limit of 10 kg per person, and that: — the product does not require refrigeration before consumption, — it is a packaged proprietary brand product, and — the packaging is unbroken unless in current use — they come from other countries (other than the Faeroe Islands, Greenland, or Iceland), and their combined quantity does not exceed the weight limit of 2 kg per person, and that: — the product does not require refrigeration before consumption, — it is a packaged proprietary brand product, and 32 — the packaging is unbroken unless in current use
  1. Small quantities of fishery products for personal human consumption
You may only bring in or send to the EU personal consignments of fishery products (including fresh, dried, cooked, cured or smoked fish, and certain shellfish, such as prawns, lobsters, dead mussels and dead oysters) provided that: — fresh fish are eviscerated, — the weight of the fishery products does not exceed, per person, 20 kg or the weight of one fish, whichever weight is the highest. These restrictions do not apply to fishery products coming from the Faeroe Islands or Iceland.
  1. Small quantities of other animal products for personal human consumption
You may only bring in or send to the EU other animal products, such as honey, live oysters, live mussels and snails for example, provided that: — they come from the Faeroe Islands, Greenland, or Iceland, and that their combined weight does not exceed 10 kg per person, — they come from other countries (other than the Faeroe Islands, Greenland, or Iceland) and their combined weight does not exceed 2 kg per person. Please note that you may bring in small quantities of animal products from several of the above five categories (paragraphs 1-5) provided that they comply with the rules explained in each of the relevant paragraphs.
  1. Larger quantities of animal products
You may only bring in or send to the EU larger quantities of animal products if they meet the requirements for commercial consignments, which include: — certification requirements, as laid down in the appropriate official EC veterinary certificate, — the presentation of the goods, with the correct documentation, to an authorised EU border inspection post for veterinary control, on arrival in the EU.
  1. Exempted animal products
The following products are exempted from the rules explained previously: — bread, cakes, biscuits, chocolate and confectionery (including sweets) not mixed or filled with meat product, — food supplements packaged for the final consumer, — meat extracts and meat concentrates, — olives stuffed with fish, — pasta and noodles not mixed or filled with meat product, — soup stocks and flavourings packaged for the final consumer, — any other food product not containing any fresh or processed meat or dairy and with less than 50 % of processed egg or fishery products.
  1. Animal products from protected species
For certain protected species there may be additional restrictions in place. For example for caviar of sturgeon species, the weight limit is a maximum of 125 g per person

This is all readily available as pdfs on the ec.europe.eu website.

TheFridgeRaider · 04/08/2019 13:34

This is for from outside of EU. Uk is still in EU

KennDodd · 04/08/2019 13:35

I just had a thought. You know how certain people have made a lot of money from the crashing pound, I wonder if they plan to cancel Brexit at the last minute so they can buy £ cheap just before and watch it shoot up in value on Revoke? They'd have made their billions.