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To tweet BA pilots that I earn less than the INCREASE they're demanding?

462 replies

CheapSeats · 01/08/2019 11:48

I earn 18000 a year. BA pilots are asking for an increase of 20000 a year. Yeah I know about skills and responsibility blah blah blah but AIBU to be upset that my holiday might be ruined? They're bleating in the papers today that they're upset that they now only get to stay in 4 star hotels instead of 5. Angry

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stucknoue · 01/08/2019 16:44

It costs hundreds of thousands to qualify, it's a highly skilled job. I would prefer my pilot not to have to work overtime to make ends meet. I'm struggling financially and earn less than their increase too but I recognise that some jobs pay better, they deserve it more than footballers and CEO's

TSSDNCOP · 01/08/2019 16:45

I’m happy if they’re paid a fortune for the 99.9% of the time they’re in the cockpit playing Candy Crush not that they are, but hey it’s MN hyperbole tine and then in that .1% they pull nerve and expertise and training out of their hats and get us all down more often than not none the wiser.

Look st it like this. If you were unable to do your job, quite likely a pilot could do it. But the other way round... that’s why people get paid more than you.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 01/08/2019 16:58

Blimey, usernamerisnotavailable OP really hit a nerve there.

No one makes you father do that particular job. He missed all the family celebrations because he chose his job.He could have chosen a different one, other jobs are available after all.

cuppycakey · 01/08/2019 17:14

Yes, please do tweet the pilots. They will be absolutely fascinated about you and how much you earn OP Confused

ScreamingValenta · 01/08/2019 17:20

If I took flying lessons for 20 years, I could never fly a plane. I can't even manage to drive a car! The thought of it is absolutely terrifying.

If people think pilots are overpaid, I'd question why they didn't follow the same career path - or don't retrain now.

NCforthis2019 · 01/08/2019 17:25

My brother is a pilot and a bloody good one. He studied for years and years, paid back all the money my parents put towards it and is on track to becoming one of the youngest captains ever in fleet. Do you know the pressure of a pilot? Do you know the stress of the lives he carries - day in day out? The things he has to go through when he is grounded? The extra hours of flying time in simulators? Just so is he prepared for any eventuality? The mental load? No? Then you don’t get to say anything about how much he earns - because he deserves more and quite rightly so.

Topseyt · 01/08/2019 17:25

OP has disappeared. Didn't get the responses she wanted.

I get that strike action is infuriating if it affects your long planned and saved for holiday.

However, it is a very skilled and highly responsible job, for which they should be paid the proper rate. They also need decent hotels when they are far away from home and it is time for a crew change.

Does your job include being responsible for the lives of hundreds of passengers and crew at any one time, OP? I doubt it.

Don't make that tweet. Not that they will give a shit, but you would look ridiculous.

Topseyt · 01/08/2019 17:28

*Not give a shit.

Namechangeymcnamechange11 · 01/08/2019 17:38

YABU

Unless you:

  1. Studied for years and have to sit a lot of exams
  2. Paid the £150,000 to train
  3. Spend hours in a simulator
  4. Learn manuals off by heart to deal with any eventuality
  5. Have the mental load of flying 150 lives on a regular basis.
  6. Many other responsibilities that I am not aware of.

Your logic is flawed and your earning capacity has no effect on anyone else.
Should doctors/lawyers/architects/engineers not request a payrise because they're better paid than you?

Kazzyhoward · 01/08/2019 17:42

They can't even get driverless cars right atm

Nor driverless trains which would be a doddle compared with cars or planes.

FaceTheFacts · 01/08/2019 17:46

Lots of people have made good points, but here's a few facts. The cost of training has increased significantly in the past few years. L3 are a leading provider worldwide, and their current ATPL training course is £90,000 - not including any accomodation or food etc. With a type rating the cost is closer to £125,000 (www.l3commercialaviation.com/airline-academy/easa-pilot-training/easa-pilot-training-courses/integrated-atpl/)

Most take a loan for this amount, and the going rate is just above 4% interest.

Thus, over the course of a ten year loan, paying back £1000 a month, the total cost of training is something like £114,000, not including any accommodation or food. If they pay for their own type rating, the total cost with interest is approx £150,000.

The lower amount alone is enough to go to university and pay maximum fees for over 12 years. It comes with no guarantees. If you can't get a job, or lose your medical license, you have to pay it back all the same. Over a ten year term you're paying £1000 per month on your training loan regardless of whether you have a job or not.

You also suggest that they are asking for a £20,000 pay rise, which means you think that the average pilot earns £200,000 per year. This is absolute insanity. Such pay just doesn't exist in this country. Pay scales between most airlines in the UK are broadly similar (BA pilots actually earn less for most of their career compared to Easyjet/Ryanair/Jet 2).

Also note that the starting basic salary for a cadet pilot at most UK airlines is in the region of £25,000.

Imagine owing £150,000 in training debt, earning £25,000 before tax and having to pay £1200 a month just on your loan repayment.

So when you say pilots are asking for another £20,000 a year, think again.

TSSDNCOP · 01/08/2019 17:47

Isn’t the DLR driverless?

I used to sit in the front carriage from Lewisham and pretend I was the driver. Which would have been ok but at the time I was 30 Blush

Passthecherrycoke · 01/08/2019 17:55

Me too TSSDNCOP although I was only 20 🤣 it is driverless but they now have a “driver” on observing everything- I think there was an accident and also no one used to buy a ticket 😭

SilverySurfer · 01/08/2019 19:06

I can understand you not being thrilled only earning 18k so can I ask what you have done about finding something better paid - are you looking for better paid jobs or have you started a course or training which will lead to a higher salary? Or maybe you've decided after starting this thread to commit £50k+ to training to be a pilot? Personally I can't get excited about pilots' pay and think they deserve what they earn. Whichever it is, good luck.

Personally I would like to swap my old age pension for a Premier League footballer's salary. Just for a week. I believe the lowest paid get approx £50k a week which would be enough to last me until I kick the bucket.

Longdistance · 01/08/2019 20:18

I’m fucking furious with op now Angry
Go into the flightdeck and tell me what all those buttons, switches and levers do on a Boeing and an Airbus. What makes it take off, ascent, cruise, descent and land? What should you do in an emergency landing? Smoke in the cockpit/cabin?

Come on op? What’s your answer?

No, haven’t got one? Well we knew that because on £18k a year you will not know the answer to someone’s problem who had paid in excess of 120k in the first place to train to be in that position.

Op, if you want to earn that kind of money, go for it. But, tbh, you don’t have the balls as you’re too busy bitching on MN 🤔

Nanamilly · 01/08/2019 21:06

I’m fucking furious with op now

I think the idea of the thread was to anger people and see how much of a stooshie could be caused.

DGRossetti · 01/08/2019 21:21

I used to sit in the front carriage from Lewisham and pretend I was the driver. Which would have been ok but at the time I was 30

I did it at 48 Grin

BIWI · 01/08/2019 21:24

The OP has obviously name changed but doesn't have the guts to come back and defend her post. I wonder why you changed your name for this @CheapSeats?

gonewiththepotter · 01/08/2019 21:33

YABU OP

Can you fly a plane?
Can you carry our risky surgeries?
Can you structurally engineer a bridge?
Can you design a building from scratch?
Can you build a rocket?

Or can you actually only do about £18k a year worth of skills and non of the above 🤔? I bet I know the answer!

I hate to say it but your mentality and attitude on this thread is really what’s wrong with this country. You think you deserve the same as somebody with significantly higher skill set, training and responsibility than you... why exactly?

How about this, if people doing your exact same job at other companies and in similar western countries...ALL earnt 5k more than you, would you not feel short changed? Ofc you would!

I wish people working on shop tills would stop saying things like ‘Well id be grateful for £40k a year’ ofc you would!! Because YOUR job is worth minimum wage! If there was a cashier job that paid £40k it’d get 50,000 applications from qualified candidates.

🤔 But you wouldn’t bloody want to be on a flight captained by Karen from Asda, or on an operating table where Barry from Lidl was going to perform open heart surgery!

Jesus, if you want to earn more better yourself and stop being such a daily mail groupie!

trixiebelden77 · 01/08/2019 21:42

Weird that being a pilot is apparently so easy and involves doing nothing for hours and yet the people who think that aren’t lining up to become one.

If it’s so easy and so overpaid why wouldn’t you give it a crack?

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 01/08/2019 21:44

Yabu. Ridiculous op.

Skinnychip · 01/08/2019 21:52

My parents knew a pilot when i was a kid in the 1980s. He got a 25k payrise when he got promoted or passed some exams. I earn about that now, 30 years later but until now I've never even thought about it!

Tellmetruth4 · 01/08/2019 21:55

The politics of envy. Let’s pull people down instead of pulling ourselves up. It’s a major sickness in our culture.

OP if you’re bitter about earning £18k have you looked into how you can earn more, retrain maybe? Possibly as a pilot?

Orlandointhewilderness · 01/08/2019 22:42

God my DB is a BA pilot. It is an incredibly stressful, hugely responsible job. Before every take off they perform degree level mathematics, not to mention constant medical, SIM checks, testing. It costs a fortune to get a commercial license and it is goodbye to a decent work life balance for a lot of pilots. He is exhausted, the airline push them too hard and get every ounce out of them and their sickness policy is shite. I suspect he will be burnt out in 2 years, along with a good proportion of his colleagues.

It is the one career I would fight my DC on if they wanted to do it. Let them strike and be bloody grateful they do the job so well.

Justaboy · 01/08/2019 23:15

The politics of envy. Let’s pull people down instead of pulling ourselves up. It’s a major sickness in our culture

Insn't it just?

Start a business in the UK and everyone will tell you it will fail.

Do the same in America and everyone you know will want shares in it.

Do the same in Asia and everyone in your faimily and relatives will want to join in.

And when your sucessfull in the UK everyone will scratch your nice car out of spite:(

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