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Massive bust up with interfering mother

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Sicktobloodydeath · 30/07/2019 19:13

NC for this.

I’m coming to the end of my pregnancy, first child, first grandchild for my mum and dad.

Dad has (as usual) been amazing, laid back, respectful of my wishes, no questions asked - brilliant.

Mother however has from the start questioned me, went against my wishes, stuck her nose in where it’s not wanted, made everything about her, dictated to me and just generally pissed me off.

My mother and I have generally had a negative relationship for as long as I can remember, we are very different people and just don’t get along.

So not to drip feed here are a few of the things that have pissed me off from the start.

  • asking repeatedly to come to scans despite being told I’d rather it was just between me and DP but of course I’d get photos for her to keep. Again, we don’t have a close relationship.
  • I don’t like things being plastered on social media - I find it intrusive and unnecessary. As far as I’m concerned, if I don’t see/speak to you on a regular basis then you don’t need to know my business. For this reason I only have very close friends and family on my SM. Mother however, has people she can’t stand, doesn’t trust, doesn’t bother with etc all for the “one-up-manship” of smug posts about how fantastic life is.
I respectfully told her not to be posting anything on social media, and not to be telling anybody else (her friends) that I was pregnant until I was past 12 weeks. She was annoyed by this, questioned me why, asked me multiple times if she could put my scan pictures on her IG - after me saying no several times.
  • Then, when I started telling people outside of my immediate family, I got a phone call from her asking me why I never told her it wasn’t a secret anymore and that I was out of order because she wanted to start telling people herself.
I said to her that I wasn’t aware I needed to inform her each time I told somebody I was expecting and that I’d still appreciate if she didn’t scream it from the rooftops (I did this in a nice way, as I fully understand how excited she is) the reason I asked this is because she loves to share information with anyone who will listen and again I’m quite a private person. I did explain she could tell her friends as that’s not a problem
  • shortly after this conversation I went on IG to find I’d been tagged in a post by somebody. This person was the son of my mothers friend from college, who I don’t speak to or know very well, nor has my mother saw said friend for about 13 years. My mother had contacted her son, to tell him to tell his mum I was expecting. Again, I don’t even know this person but he had somehow obtained a photo of me and DP and posted a baby announcement on his own SM. I obviously knew straight away that this had came from my mother so called her to confront her about it - ended up in one of many bust ups and an argument about how I was “suppressing her natural instincts”, “taking away her joy”, “not letting her be involved” - I hadn’t even told all of my own friends yet and I had some stranger posting about me on SM! It ended on me telling her to keep her mouth shut as it wasn’t her news to be shouting about.
  • she made a big deal out of “sitting me and DP down” to discuss babysitting the baby overnight when it’s newborn, I told her quite clearly this would not be happening as baby will 1. Be getting used to new surroundings 2. Need me 3. Be breastfed. And 4. In what world does a mother let their newborn just go and sleep 15+ miles away from them?? This of course was taken as me pushing her out.
  • next came the gender. My DPs (very large) family are very serious about not wanting to know the sex of any babies due, so for this reason we decided that myself and my DP would find out but keep it to ourselves to avoid any of family slipping up to DPs family etc. To throw people off scent, we decided we would just tell people we never ended up finding out, therefore if we said he/she in conversation it wouldn’t be obvious.
My mother called me on the day of the 20 week scan crying (literally) saying I wasn’t including her on anything, she felt pushed out blah blah. So out of kindness, I said to her “this is a secret but we are going to find out the sex of baby, don’t tell anyone because we don’t want to slip up” and gave the reasons above. She was happy i told her that, was fine with not knowing the sex, and agreed to keep it a secret that we found out. Next thing I know is I’ve got my grandmother on the phone asking to know what the baby is because my mother told her we were finding out, both of them were then trying to trip us up on revealing what we’re having. I confronted my mother and she absolutely flew off of the handle, saying I was unfair to expect her to keep it a secret (she agreed!), I was unfair to exclude my grandmother, I’m a nightmare during pregnancy (every other person in my life has commented on how laid back and easy going I have been), that I’m a nasty piece of work and her words she wants to know “fuck all” else about the baby.
  • my partner then slipped up to my mother by saying “she” when talking about the baby, this was the whole reason why we weren’t telling anybody we found out. Obviously my mother took this and ran. Since then it’s been “I can’t WAIT for the baby to be born so I can tell everyone I’ve known all along” and tbh, I don’t believe for a minute she hasn’t told anyone. DP has since told my dad and his sister that were expecting a girl - so the whole secret has gone to shit basically, but his parents still really don’t want to know, which I respect
  • last week was my baby shower, since people have already started finding out it’s a girl, I’m honestly past caring about the secret, so told my two aunts what I was expecting, my mother allegedly overheard this, came storming across the room telling me how rude and disrespectful I was to tell my aunts and not DPs mum. I had a bit of a go at her and told her DPs mum doesn’t want to know (she already knows this) and to keep her nose out and don’t be so rude to shout at me at my baby shower. She went off sulking but then told my nan, her friend, and her friends daughter I’m expecting a girl.
  • today we’ve ended up having a huge argument about the baby shower and she was name calling, saying she’s glad I’m having a girl because she’ll be a bitch like me (disgusting comment), I’m disrespectful, I do nothing but leave her out, I should be consulting her before telling people the sex, I should’ve consulted her in the earlier days when I was telling people I was expecting. It ended up in a massive row and tbh I’m glad I got it all off my chest but as usual she’s ended up crying and guilt tripping me.

Sorry for the long post but these are just a few of the many things she’s done during the pregnancy. She’s so dramatic and negative about everything at this point I don’t even want her being around the baby passing on the negativity. AIBU to not speak to her for a while?

OP posts:
Whosorrynow · 30/07/2019 21:54

Don't take any prisoners with this one
scorched earth strategy needed
also you say that your father is brilliant, if so then why is he letting your mother behave like this?

MustShowDH · 30/07/2019 21:56

It's so hurtful isn't it? You let your guard down, believe they've improved and then BAM, they break your trust again.
You yearn for that mother/daughter relationship that you see all around you and wonder what you did wrong and what's wrong with you that you can't love your own mother.

I'm seriously projecting here!!!!

You've done nothing wrong.

It's taken me having my own daughter to realise its their problem not ours.

Best of luck with your pregnancy and birth. You're going to be a great Mum, because you've seen how NOT to do it.

Italiangreyhound · 30/07/2019 21:57

OP you are NOT being unreasonable.

"I’ve made it quite clear that if they attempt behaviour like that then they simply will not see the baby but they don’t seem to think I’m being serious."

you need to show your mum you are serious. You need to tell her what you are going to do then do it.

So you should never have told her you were finding out the sex, you know that now. Use that information and don't tell her anything you do not want her to know. Which hospital, when you go into labour etc, birth plan, etc. Unless you want her to know it, don't say.

Evade those questions if they come.

Make it clear baby will not be being looked after by your mum.

"Also worth mentioning mum and dad aren’t together and my dad thinks I should just cut contact completely"

That is your choice, not your dad's choice.

I'd personally go low contact not no contact. Because no contact bring with it potential other issues. But it is your choice.

"But then when she sends me the usual long text on how much I’ve hurt her (and I don’t doubt that I have, she is very emotional) I start to feel guilty and pacify her. It’s difficult because whilst I do love her, I really dislike her. I know it kills her when we don’t speak and I only imagine this will worsen once baby is born, but I just will not have this life long cycle there’s no way!"

Can you get a bit of counselling, assertiveness training. I think if you want to stay in contact you need to be super clear with her and stick to it.

So if there is a long emotional phone call could you just say something "Mum, it is because of these long emotional calls that I don't want to speak to you. I am putting the phone down now, I will speak to you tomorrow/next week. When we can have a normal call. Please do not call again today/this week." or whatever.

I think if you really want to cut her out of your life you can, your choice.

ohfourfoxache · 30/07/2019 21:57

It would be so much better for all of you (most importantly your dd) if you cut this toxic bitch out......

Whosorrynow · 30/07/2019 22:00

Apologies I miss the part where you mentioned that your parents are not together, in that case follow your dad's advice, what are you waiting for ....the shit show to begin?

Italiangreyhound · 30/07/2019 22:03

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Zippyx · 30/07/2019 22:05

Fizzy drinks and chocolate is enough for NC for me.

Italiangreyhound · 30/07/2019 22:06

bumum you've really been through the mill. I am glad you have come out the other side.

"She used the birth of my first child to really sink her claws into me much like she did when I was a teenager. I didn't even really notice it happening, but suddenly found my mum there at the birth making a fuss because it all looked far too painful and I should be c-sectioned and my poor partner having to shout for her to leave after numerous softer attempts."

How awful.

"Recent counselling has allowed me to see this all so much more clearly and also the impact it is having on my children. My eldest she is already starting to manipulate and I don't like leaving her alone with him. Because of this, I have finally found the strength to pull back on the contact."

OP I really think counselling could help you to put distance between you and your mum.

XX Thanks

LadyRannaldini · 30/07/2019 22:22

The bliss of being abroad for ours! My Dad would write things like Your mother says............. so I could totally ignore it! It was 6 weeks before we brought her to the UK, by which time we were settled and sorted, as much as we wanted to be anyway.

stassy123 · 30/07/2019 22:26

Crazy woman would be nowhere near my child, you'd be the ultimate winner then.

NC all the way for me! Holy crabsticks she sounds like she has a major screw loose you're lucky to get out unscathed!

Idontwanttotalk · 30/07/2019 22:43

I would not be able to remain in contact with DM or DGM. They sound awful. I'd definitely go totally NC.

If your DF is okay then I would let him come and meet child once born and you are home.

Don't keep letting her crawl back into your life. Will you want your baby to grow up and experience your DM's behaviour? Tell her you don't want any more to do with her then block her number on your phone.

Cheeserton · 30/07/2019 22:45

Bloody hell OP, she's utterly despicable. Stop interacting with her now. She just won't learn otherwise. She clearly has no boundaries when it comes to your wishes, and her selfishness knows no bounds. Get rid now. Stop engaging right now. You don't need this level of stress and disrespect.

fargo123 · 30/07/2019 23:18

Calling an unborn baby a bitch has to be one of the most vile things I've ever heard. I'd have cut her off for that alone.

BetsyBigNose · 30/07/2019 23:21

As you say you do love your DM, but don't like her very much, I'd opt for going LC for a while. Perhaps write her a letter, not going into loads of detail or using it as an opportunity to have a go at her, but just explaining that you've found all the recent drama with her really stressful and upsetting (as I'm sure she has) and that you hope she'll understand that you feel that in order to ensure that your relationship with your Mum doesn't break down completely, you need to take a step back from one another for a little while.

You could be generous and tell her that you'll text her regular updates on how you and the pregnancy are going, and that once baby arrives you'll give her a call and arrange for her to come and meet her new grandchild once you're home, hopefully by which point she'll be so enamoured with the baby, she'll be ready and willing to accept any terms and conditions you feel you want to impose on her contact with you, subjects you don't wish to ever discuss with her, things she is/is not to feed/buy for your baby etc., which may help you to shape your relationship into a more positive one moving forward.

Many women find that their relationship with their own DM changes significantly with the arrival of their own child - I know mine did! In our case, my DM had been madly interfering for the duration of my pregnancy (she's a former Midwife, which didn't help!), but I had a really shit Midwife at the Maternity Unit I gave birth to DD1 in and if DM hadn't stepped in when she did, DD1 may not have lived through the birth. My DM continued to be massively overbearing for the 1st week of DD1's life, by which time I'd had enough and sat down and laid out some ground rules (No. 1 being Mummy (me) knows best when it comes to DD1, not Nanny!) and she was just SO grateful that I was still willing to have her involved in our lives that she was happy to accept my conditions and we were ALL a lot happier from then on. Now, 12 years later, she is my best friend - I see her most days, we talk on the phone and text every day and we even work at the same place! She's wonderful with our 2 DDs and takes them for an overnight stay at her house at least once a month so DH and I can have some time alone.

So it may be awkward to start with (which is why I suggest writing a letter rather than having a face to face conversation, which is likely to lead to high drama in itself by the sounds of things!), but in my experience it's worth laying the groundwork now, to smooth the path for the future and in the hopes of a mutually supportive, respectful relationship between you and your Mum. Good luck @Sicktobloodydeath

Italiangreyhound · 31/07/2019 00:12

Double posted. Sorry.

Cor BetsyBigNose excellent result.

pikapikachu · 31/07/2019 00:21

I'm surprised that you haven't gone NC years ago. She's clearly going to ruin the rest of your pregnancy and is determined to "ruin" your child too. I'd be running away fast and protecting my dd from your mum.

WispaGoldsshouldcomeinmultipac · 31/07/2019 05:53

I could have written this, but about my MIL. NC is the only way to go. Mine has been threatened with being permanently cut off if she continues to behave like this. Doesn't help that we live about 200 yards away from her though...

It's hard, and I feel like the world's worst woman for doing so but I found myself wishing I wasn't pregnant so that things would go back to normal (we never saw or heard from her previously).
Sounds as if you have a supportive DF and DP - you all need a united front as she will project frustration onto them if she can't get at you.

Make sure midwives are aware, people like your mum and my monster in law are often catalysts for baby blues, they'll gaslight you into thinking you're crazy. Keep her well away. Mines not been told yet that I don't want any photos of my child on SM - we're private people, anything posted will be by us and only us. I am not looking forward to setting that rule out because its going to go down like a lead balloon. But ah well. My body, mine and DPs baby, our rules.
Good luck to you, I swear there should be some kind of trophy for dealing with difficult people and not ending up in prison xx

Bringonspring · 31/07/2019 06:13

Wow stressful!

I would try and put boundaries in place pre baby. I kept all dates of scans a secret. Do you think reading back she could feel left out?

ElPontifico · 31/07/2019 06:16

FFS cut her out.

And do it before the baby's born. She sounds like the kind of nut job who will try to go to court for access, and afaik that's only possible if the grandparent already has a relationship with the grandchild. Plus it would be a huge benefit to your child not to know her!

Sicktobloodydeath · 31/07/2019 06:31

Wow I’m honestly so overwhelmed by all of your responses. Thank you so much. I’m always told by her that “everyone agrees with her” and that I’m the problem (obviously she’s referring to her friends, who she only tells her exaggerated side of the story to). It’s nice to know I’m not crazy and she is the issue. Thank you.

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LadyBumclock · 31/07/2019 09:43

OP, glad you're back. My mum is the same - nothing is her fault, it's her terrible children being mean to her or not providing her with what she wants, and if I minded her insults and upsetting behaviour I was always "so oversensitive". I believed this for a long time and it led me to accept appalling treatment from her and not feel I could stand up to her for fear of upsetting her and being mean - also known as FOG or Fear, Obligation and Guilt - this website is very helpful: Out of the FOG.

It has taken me decades to build up my boundaries, understand just how damaging she has been as a parent and how I have not had the mothering I should have had - I'm in my late 40s and I've only just really started standing up to her properly and reducing contact to a level that allows me to stay sane. It can be a long journey to extricate yourself from this, which people who have not dealt with it can find hard to understand. But pregnancy and having my own children, especially a daughter, were definitely a key step.

Keep posting, MN is great for support with this issue and has helped me so much.

Whosorrynow · 31/07/2019 11:14

When she says 'everyone agrees with her' what she means is that the small group of people with whom she socialises because they they have similar views and lifestyles to her and because they, generally speaking, agree with (ie her friends) agree with her

Or to put it another way, people who agree with her agree with her...it's just nonsense word salad

Teaandcrisps · 31/07/2019 11:28

You gave it away when you say that you are calm without your mum around. Your mum is no longer your priority, your baby is.
I would go NC through your pregnancy- that way you can disengage from this strange co-dependent and damaging relationship you have where your mum behaves badly and you pacify her. Stop that immediately, for your own mental health and so that you are totally emotionally present for your baby and OH.

Having a baby is hard enough, hormones, massive changes - you do not need this level of drama and inconsiderate behaviour - especially when it affects you so badly.

You now.make the rules.

CokeAndCrispsAndDip · 31/07/2019 11:52

You say you love her but is that out of a sense of duty as she is your mum or do you really love the woman? If she was a non relative you would have long seen the back of her. Just because she gave birth to you does not give her the right to control you or dictate your actions. Stop the cycle, you're having a girl and do you want this woman and a grandmother? She brings you no joy, and you don't need the stress through a pregnancy. Cut the ties, you'll feel so much lighter

SandAndSea · 31/07/2019 12:14

“everyone agrees with her”

This is a very popular tactic used by narcs and other toxic people to manipulate you. Ignore it.

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