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Massive bust up with interfering mother

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Sicktobloodydeath · 30/07/2019 19:13

NC for this.

I’m coming to the end of my pregnancy, first child, first grandchild for my mum and dad.

Dad has (as usual) been amazing, laid back, respectful of my wishes, no questions asked - brilliant.

Mother however has from the start questioned me, went against my wishes, stuck her nose in where it’s not wanted, made everything about her, dictated to me and just generally pissed me off.

My mother and I have generally had a negative relationship for as long as I can remember, we are very different people and just don’t get along.

So not to drip feed here are a few of the things that have pissed me off from the start.

  • asking repeatedly to come to scans despite being told I’d rather it was just between me and DP but of course I’d get photos for her to keep. Again, we don’t have a close relationship.
  • I don’t like things being plastered on social media - I find it intrusive and unnecessary. As far as I’m concerned, if I don’t see/speak to you on a regular basis then you don’t need to know my business. For this reason I only have very close friends and family on my SM. Mother however, has people she can’t stand, doesn’t trust, doesn’t bother with etc all for the “one-up-manship” of smug posts about how fantastic life is.
I respectfully told her not to be posting anything on social media, and not to be telling anybody else (her friends) that I was pregnant until I was past 12 weeks. She was annoyed by this, questioned me why, asked me multiple times if she could put my scan pictures on her IG - after me saying no several times.
  • Then, when I started telling people outside of my immediate family, I got a phone call from her asking me why I never told her it wasn’t a secret anymore and that I was out of order because she wanted to start telling people herself.
I said to her that I wasn’t aware I needed to inform her each time I told somebody I was expecting and that I’d still appreciate if she didn’t scream it from the rooftops (I did this in a nice way, as I fully understand how excited she is) the reason I asked this is because she loves to share information with anyone who will listen and again I’m quite a private person. I did explain she could tell her friends as that’s not a problem
  • shortly after this conversation I went on IG to find I’d been tagged in a post by somebody. This person was the son of my mothers friend from college, who I don’t speak to or know very well, nor has my mother saw said friend for about 13 years. My mother had contacted her son, to tell him to tell his mum I was expecting. Again, I don’t even know this person but he had somehow obtained a photo of me and DP and posted a baby announcement on his own SM. I obviously knew straight away that this had came from my mother so called her to confront her about it - ended up in one of many bust ups and an argument about how I was “suppressing her natural instincts”, “taking away her joy”, “not letting her be involved” - I hadn’t even told all of my own friends yet and I had some stranger posting about me on SM! It ended on me telling her to keep her mouth shut as it wasn’t her news to be shouting about.
  • she made a big deal out of “sitting me and DP down” to discuss babysitting the baby overnight when it’s newborn, I told her quite clearly this would not be happening as baby will 1. Be getting used to new surroundings 2. Need me 3. Be breastfed. And 4. In what world does a mother let their newborn just go and sleep 15+ miles away from them?? This of course was taken as me pushing her out.
  • next came the gender. My DPs (very large) family are very serious about not wanting to know the sex of any babies due, so for this reason we decided that myself and my DP would find out but keep it to ourselves to avoid any of family slipping up to DPs family etc. To throw people off scent, we decided we would just tell people we never ended up finding out, therefore if we said he/she in conversation it wouldn’t be obvious.
My mother called me on the day of the 20 week scan crying (literally) saying I wasn’t including her on anything, she felt pushed out blah blah. So out of kindness, I said to her “this is a secret but we are going to find out the sex of baby, don’t tell anyone because we don’t want to slip up” and gave the reasons above. She was happy i told her that, was fine with not knowing the sex, and agreed to keep it a secret that we found out. Next thing I know is I’ve got my grandmother on the phone asking to know what the baby is because my mother told her we were finding out, both of them were then trying to trip us up on revealing what we’re having. I confronted my mother and she absolutely flew off of the handle, saying I was unfair to expect her to keep it a secret (she agreed!), I was unfair to exclude my grandmother, I’m a nightmare during pregnancy (every other person in my life has commented on how laid back and easy going I have been), that I’m a nasty piece of work and her words she wants to know “fuck all” else about the baby.
  • my partner then slipped up to my mother by saying “she” when talking about the baby, this was the whole reason why we weren’t telling anybody we found out. Obviously my mother took this and ran. Since then it’s been “I can’t WAIT for the baby to be born so I can tell everyone I’ve known all along” and tbh, I don’t believe for a minute she hasn’t told anyone. DP has since told my dad and his sister that were expecting a girl - so the whole secret has gone to shit basically, but his parents still really don’t want to know, which I respect
  • last week was my baby shower, since people have already started finding out it’s a girl, I’m honestly past caring about the secret, so told my two aunts what I was expecting, my mother allegedly overheard this, came storming across the room telling me how rude and disrespectful I was to tell my aunts and not DPs mum. I had a bit of a go at her and told her DPs mum doesn’t want to know (she already knows this) and to keep her nose out and don’t be so rude to shout at me at my baby shower. She went off sulking but then told my nan, her friend, and her friends daughter I’m expecting a girl.
  • today we’ve ended up having a huge argument about the baby shower and she was name calling, saying she’s glad I’m having a girl because she’ll be a bitch like me (disgusting comment), I’m disrespectful, I do nothing but leave her out, I should be consulting her before telling people the sex, I should’ve consulted her in the earlier days when I was telling people I was expecting. It ended up in a massive row and tbh I’m glad I got it all off my chest but as usual she’s ended up crying and guilt tripping me.

Sorry for the long post but these are just a few of the many things she’s done during the pregnancy. She’s so dramatic and negative about everything at this point I don’t even want her being around the baby passing on the negativity. AIBU to not speak to her for a while?

OP posts:
KelpieMama · 30/07/2019 20:51

When she says she finds you too assertive, what she really means is "quit standing up to me when I'm trying to control your life". I'd consider the example you'll be setting for your daughter here - what is she going to see in your relationship with your mother and how might it affect her?

Charliecatpaws · 30/07/2019 20:52

Jesus I’m stressed out by reading your post, your mother sounds bloody bonkers, listen to your dad and leave her well alone, she will try to take over your daughters life and not stick to your rules just to piss you off. Tell her to fuck off to the other side of fucksville

FlamingoQueen · 30/07/2019 20:57

I would cut all contact for now. If you tell her you are in labour you will have her outside the hospital room (assuming you’re going into hospital) and then she’ll announce it on SM first.
We’ve done it both ways with my MIL. Firstborn she knew about the labour and her and SiL were outside delivery room. Due to complications they saw baby before me. Second time we didn’t tell her and she refused to see baby for days. My own DM died before my children were born. I just don’t understand why any parents have to behave like this. Good luck!

MsTSwift · 30/07/2019 20:57

My friend had one of these. Her very calm dh rang his mil and said if she continued upsetting his wife during her pregnancy she would not be seeing either of them let alone a grandchild ever again. It worked well that said the couple emigrated and have just applied for citizenship somewhere far far away from my friends mother.

dustarr73 · 30/07/2019 20:58

All this stress cant be good for your pregnancy.She loves the drama and playing victim.Stop telling her things.And tell the midwives,they are great for giving advice.

Plus let the hospital know,you dont want her knowing anything.In case she tries that.

DidILeaveTheGasOn · 30/07/2019 20:58

This sounds drama-fuelled on both sides. I'm not entirely sure you're that different after all, although we can only guess from your post.

If this is genuinely on her side and you're actually level-headed and laid back and really don't want the drama, then you need to cut her off completely. Boundaries will not sort this. Anyone who said I was disgusting would be out of my life, for good.

But it does sound rather... Two-sided. Like angry cats, swiping at each other.

LadyBumclock · 30/07/2019 21:00

I think when you have this kind of mother, you have been trained all your life to try to meet her needs and feel bad if you don't keep her happy. OP has tried to involve her in things and tell her things to throw her a crumb or two in the hope of keeping her at bay. It doesn't work but it's very hard not to do it when it's how you've learned to deal with your mum.

As PPs have said, having a baby is a huge catalyst for change because you realise how much you love your baby and couldn't behave the way she did. You realise just how lacking she is as a mum, as the same time as she is ramping up the demands because she sees your baby as hers. But it's a good thing in the long run - it made me realise that my DC were my top priority, not her demands.

InterestedandListening · 30/07/2019 21:02

OP I feel for you. My mum is sometimes like a very very mild version of this, although one of my sisters is like a much more extreme version. I think she probably has undiagnosed EUPD and is very manipulative. She was so destructive to my wellbeing during my first pregnancy and so toxic, that I pretty much went NC after that, except occasions when I can’t avoid it. Every chance she gets she will still attack and berate me. I feel so much better, happier and calmer not having a relationship with her.

PartridgeJoan · 30/07/2019 21:08

Honestly having a baby brings out the best and the worst in people. We are about to NC one parent and have gone very low contact on another for this reason.

Sounds like you've given her a fair few chances and she's messed them up.

bumum · 30/07/2019 21:09

Your mum sounds very similar to my own. She used the birth of my first child to really sink her claws into me much like she did when I was a teenager. I didn't even really notice it happening, but suddenly found my mum there at the birth making a fuss because it all looked far too painful and I should be c-sectioned and my poor partner having to shout for her to leave after numerous softer attempts. She drove home in a huff and I had a natural birth.
9 years on and I have battled with her continually and she has continued to manipulate and control me and my choices for my family. Recent counselling has allowed me to see this all so much more clearly and also the impact it is having on my children. My eldest she is already starting to manipulate and I don't like leaving her alone with him. Because of this, I have finally found the strength to pull back on the contact. I don't respond to the numerous texts I receive a day, including the stroppy ones about my lack of response. I have stopped inviting her to see the children do their assemblies etc. This year, I will also not be inviting her to spend Christmas for the first time ever. I will however send her photos and an update that needs no response. My eldest is not missing seeing her (which makes me worried that I have done this too late, as they used to spend quite a bit of time together while I worked) and my husband is incredibly relieved (he often stands up to her which she hates). Looking back now I wish I had seen how toxic is was and stopped her from resinking her claws during my pregnancy. I think I would be a much happier person now rather than someone who has trust issues and low self esteem that comes from an emotionally manipulative parent. Good luck with what you decide. It's tough but really think about your baby and how you want to feel about yourself. You are not the difficult one in this situation.

MissConductUS · 30/07/2019 21:10

This is really over the top.

What is it with grandmothers wanting to have the baby overnight? I see this again and again on MN and I have never heard of it in the US. My MIL and DM would never have made such a demand. Is it a UK cultural thing?

OP, if you don't start managing this down to a level of sanity it will likely get worse after the baby is born. Good luck with it all. Flowers

Soubriquet · 30/07/2019 21:17

I would go very LC

You just know she will be giving your baby food before you want her too and will be slipping her sweets and chocolate and everything else

ollo · 30/07/2019 21:19

Why haven't you gone low or no contact with her? This relationship is clearly toxic for both of you.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/07/2019 21:21

Your mum is who she is. And that particular nut didn't fall far from the tree (your gran). It was very optimistic of you to expect anything different. But we live in hope, right?

I'm with your dad. You need to go NC with her, but LC will do for a start. What you need to do now is start a 'disinformation' campaign. Is it too late to get away with a changed expected delivery date, maybe 2-3 weeks later than your real one? Too late to change the hospital you will deliver in? One thing I will advise is that you NOT tell her when you do go into labour.

She's going to be worse after your baby is here. Start preparing now the ways you will say 'no' and exactly how much you want her around. And stick to it.

justasking111 · 30/07/2019 21:34

Does she have a key to your house?

OpheliaTodd · 30/07/2019 21:34

Omg go NC. Dump her. She’s a terrible person who will be a terrible influence on your DC.

blushmelikeyou · 30/07/2019 21:40

Why are you ignoring everyone's comments about going NC?

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 30/07/2019 21:40

Yeah, LC for starters. Do you have a landline? Block her from your mobile and tell her to call your landline if she needs you - and you can let that go to voicemail. That way she’s not so much in your face. Tell the extended family not to pass on messages from her. Block her from Facebook/SM and lock down your privacy settings so you’re not getting tagged in on strangers’ posts.

Tell her all her drama is making your BP rise and your midwife has said it’s bad for the baby so, she should use the landline and don’t expect you to visit for a while.

She’ll kick off, but you don’t have to listen. And she might learn your boundaries, which you’re going to need.

McHelenz · 30/07/2019 21:42

I think the worst of all of this is the comment that your daughter will be a bitch like you. That would be the end of it for me, she's there implying she's going to treat your child exactly like yours.

I second messaging her, saying following her disgusting comments and you and your child, its clear she's not interested in a positive relationship with you or your baby. And suggest maybe its best you dont see each other for a while.

Stay strong, the emotional abuse will begin. You clearly have support from your DP and dad.

HelenUrth · 30/07/2019 21:42

I'm not sure theres a place in the world that's far enough away from her! Your dad is right.

She is going to ruin what should be one of the happiest times of your life.

As others have said, Google narcissism, engulfing narcissism, boundaries. My mother is dreadful but yours even sounds worse, how awful for you. You probably need professional help with getting your head around this. But please remember it's not your fault your mother is like this.

Aridane · 30/07/2019 21:46

Sorry - but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Drama lama'inb on both sides

LifeImplosionImminent · 30/07/2019 21:46

Your mother makes Chernobyl look like Center Parcs...

bridgetreilly · 30/07/2019 21:48

OP, I think you meant It’s NOT surprising that she acts this way as she has THE MOST toxic relationship with my grandmother...

People follow the patterns they've experienced.

Sherry19 · 30/07/2019 21:49

This reply has been withdrawn

The OP has privacy concerns and so we've agreed to take this down.

LadyBumclock · 30/07/2019 21:49

I can't see how OP is being dramatic at all, she doesn't sound like her mum at all. She's emotionally tangled up with her because that's what narc mothers do to their daughters, but she's trying to keep things as calm as she can and it's going tits up.

Also OP didn't deliberately reveal the sex, her DP let it slip accidentally.

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