Who is BU?

[Gogreen]

3 neighbours in a terrace.

Neighbour 1,2,3.
Neighbour 1 has lived here the longest, a couple, no children, no pets.
Neighbour 2, couple with 2 children and pets.
Neighbour 3, couple with 3 children and pets.

Neighbours 2&3 have noisy hot tubs when the bubbles are on and noisy children. Pets make no noise in either house.

Neighbour one complains to neighbour 2, that it’s noisy with music, bubbles,children as it didn’t all stop until 8:30pm on a Thursday.

Neighbour 3 has bubbles on that are loud until 10pm with kids in garden because school holidays on the same day.

neighbour 2 doesn’t complain to neighbour 3.
No neighbours had work the next day as they don’t work, except neighbours 2. So no early mornings for neighbours 1&3.

Whose being unreasonable?
Do neighbours 1 have the right to complain for noise that stopped at 8:30?
Should neighbours 2 complain to neighbour 3?
Should neighbour 1 also complain to number 3?

Ta.

Assume your neighbour 2?

You’re!!

8.30?? That's unreasonable.

Neighbour 3, but neighbour 2 was just telling me about it. I think they are tolerant of our noise because they are a family too and know families are noisy compared to a single couple living alone.

Was just gauging opinions.

If you’re neighbour 3 you should think about being more considerate to your neighbours

Neighbours 1 are unreasonable, it wasn't late and some noise is expected with kids. Just because they don't have any, and have lived there the longest they can't expect silence. 2 and 3 have done nothing wrong

I feel very sorry for neighbour 1, living close to both of you when they were there first must be hell. Hopefully they'll be moving elsewhere soon in an area where families with noisy children and hot tub entertainment are more unlikely.

I am neighbour 1 in the middle of a terrace. Generally pretty tolerant - if neighbours were making a racket post 10pm I'd be annoyed (I do have to be up for work). Kids playing out in garden until late - esp in the holidays is fine by me. The only thing that really annoys me is their yappy dog.

Thankfully my neighbours don't have a hot tub so can't really comment on the effect.

Noise until 8.30 is fine, can’t see why anyone would complain about that. Also I wouldn’t be bothered by noise until 10pm; if it was stopping my DD getting to sleep I’d find it annoying but that’s just part of summer as far as I’m concerned and just has to be put up with especially the last few days when it’s so hot that kids can’t really go out in the middle of the day.

If it was a one-off because of the heat yesterday then anything goes and it's fine. Regularly making a lot of noise in general is quite rude so you should all tone it down a bit, regularly making noise until 10pm is clearly very unreasonable as 9pm is the limit for noise.

Noise up until 10 is fine.

Is Neighbour 1 ill or elderly?

No one! No one is being unreasonable. Neighbour one is allowed to complain about the noise from neighbour 2. Neighbours 1 & 2 are allowed NOT to complain about the noise from you.

Up to 8:30pm I would be tolerant of noise, it's just part of summer like it or not. 10pm not so much tolerant, I would hope people would start to realise that it's getting to bed time for many and noise should be toned down.

Just because N2 doesnt complain about your noise, doesn't mean N1 can't complain abut N2 noise.

10pm is the absolute latest I would be happy with my neighbour playing music/children outside no matter the day of the week.

8.30pm is fine unless the noise was unreasonably loud.

Feel sorry for N1 living there first and not making any noise, being next to 2 noisy houses.

Swingofthings

That’s just a silly thing to say! Show me a area of housing where no families live! 🤣

Thank you all for your opinions so far, very interesting.

Just to clarify, we are not noisy in general, it’s due to the summer holidays.
Music was being played due to the weather yesterday, and also does happen on a few other days when everyone is in the garden but not on a constant basis. Neighbour 2 works like I said, we was loud until 10 as a one off due to weather, we normally stop at 7pm as they work.

Neighbour 2 is the same really, children are normally in from the garden due to school but are now on school holidays.

But in general we are both not noisy neighbours, we all get on, otherwise neighbour 1 wouldn’t feel like they could approach neighbour 2.

We was just a bit miffed they classed 8:30 as late when it’s the summer holidays and they don’t work.

My neighbours were out drinking and chatting until 2 am this morning. Not especially loud most of the time but, of course, as alcohol was involved, there was occasional shouting as one or other went into the house briefly, or they were laughing about something.
Did it disturb me - 'Yes'. Was I annoyed, 'Not at all' - it was hot, it was a one off (so far anyway). Few people could sleep anyway I suspect because of the heat.

I'm going to say neighbour 1 was more bothered about the noise from neighbour 2 but used neighbour 3 as the scapegoat??? If that makes sense

In this heat I wouldn't begrudge anyone being out making noise, but I do think 10pm is too late. 8:30 is about the time I would say it's polite to have wrapped it up.

So you are the only person I would say was out too long if you were all still being loud. Work the next day isn't the only reason to be considerate, either - I have an eight month old baby and it's incredibly disruptive when people are making a lot of noise outside once she's in bed.

Kids do naturally make noise but I think people should be mindful of how loud their music is, too. I always had that battle growing up because I loved to listen to music and loudly but as an adult I do think it's rude if it's so loud it's getting into the neighbours house. There's a difference between kids voices and music others might not like that you don't really need to have on anyway.

Bear in mind noisy people never think they are, you might think it’s just kids in the hot tub but for others the incessant yacking, shrieking, music can be bloody annoying.

Maybe all agree to a 9pm curfew?
For peaceful relations!

I think it cuts both ways and as you all generally get along well then it was just one of those things. In as much as the families wanted to be outdoors because of the weather and the school holidays, perhaps the childless couple were also affected by the heat and were over-tired, had a headache or were generally out of sorts.

You can't expect families not to make any noise outside, but by the same token that noise carries more in the summer and hot tubs create and encourage more noise than just sitting around a table.

You asked, so here goes:- I would be massively pissed off if this was my neighbours. I need to keep the same time roughly if going to sleep and waking, otherwise it can contribute to my mental deteriorating. So being hot, I would sleep with the windows open, and then all the noise not being able to sleep, if that happened several times, I could find myself not sleeping at all. This in turn could tip me into hypermania. I’m bipolar. So what seems like just ‘fun and grumpy neighbours’ can actually cause me to end up in mental health crisis, and having to take antipsychotic’s on top of my mood stabiliser. Which of course I really look forward too🙄.

thing is here it didn't even start cooling till 9.30 last night, but I do get the keep it down if not silent - we all like to be in the garden enjoying things and frankly screaming and yelling does not make for a nice evening meal outside as its too hot inside - calm activities after 7 I say.

100% I whine to my husband about my neighbours making noise at the moment at 8.30... but only because I have a 1yr old DD who’s bedroom backs onto their garden and it wakes her... I never once complain, or who’s even dream of doing so because they’re not being unreasonable, it just happens to be a pain for my situation! I would personally start getting a bit more annoyed at 10pm, not at bubbles or anything but if there’s loud music/yelling or screaming, but again I understand it’s the holidays and if it wasn’t every night I’d just let it go! I think neighbour 1 is more than entitled to feel annoyed, but only down to personal preference, I wouldn’t say it’s a reason to actually complain!