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AIBU?

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...or is my neighbour expecting too much?

92 replies

ThingInTheAttic · 25/07/2019 18:03

Ok, so my next door neighbour and I have just 'had words' for the first time. We've lived next door to each other for 20 years with no problems, we chat over the fence etc, usual stuff. She's 71 and lives alone, I live with my 13 year old since my divorce in 2011. Both houses are small modern semis.

So last year, during school hols, she mentioned that my son 'running' up the stairs after she had gone to bed was waking her, or stopping her sleeping. I wasn't sure what she meant by 'running' because as far as i'm aware he just does what every normal kid does...he goes up quickly, but he doesnt 'run', and I can't say I've ever thought it was unusually noisy. But anyway, I apologised, and said I would remind him to walk as much as I could. So I did, every night for weeks because I didn't want her to be disturbed, obviously. Then I asked her had things improved and she said 'yes, I haven't heard a thing'. Great. All sorted.

Anyway, last night my son, his friend and I arrived home from holiday after a four hour car journey about 10.20pm. We unloaded the car, and they did run up and down the stairs laughing and calling to each other, carrying stuff up, which I didn't know they were doing as I was still out by the car. It was ten minutes max, and when I heard them I told them to stop because neighbour might be disturbed, and they did stop straight away and all was quiet for the rest of the night.

But this morning, I was putting washing out and she had a right go at me about them running up the stairs, saying it was 'so loud I had to bang the wall, they woke me up and I couldn't get back to sleep'... she was really quite blunt and aggressive. I was really surprised and I just thought 'Not this again, and this time it's really daft- it was literally ten minutes'. So I said I'm sorry, but they'd been cooped up in a car for hours, it was ten minutes maximum and to be honest, I think you are being unreasonable expecting 13 year old boys to not run up stairs, it's what children do'...And then she said "oh well. he's been doing it for months, ever since I first told you about it, I've been putting up with it "...WTF? I asked why, in that case had she lied and said she couldn't hear anything anymore when I asked her last year, sand she said 'Because I knew you'd be the sort of person who wouldn't like me saying it".
Now, I've never had a cross word with her before, yet somehow she assumes I'm going to be troublesome over this one thing?

Anyway, I did say that I thought that was completely unfair, and and that I think she's being ridiculous complaining about a kid going up the stairs in his own house, in a completely normal way.

Apparently she can 'tell what sort of a person I am now, too'.

So...basically, am I BU or is she? Should I be reminding my son to walk quietly up the stairs every night? He's in bed himself by 11pm even in school holidays, it's not like he's galloping up and down stairs at 2am. I honestly have never heard of anyone moaning about their neighbour's child going up the stairs. But, please feel free to correct me, as I m genuinely wondering now if I AM being a bad neighbour.

OP posts:
Pipandmum · 25/07/2019 20:22

I can’t believe what I’m reading in some of these posts! Subtitles after 9pm? Everyone has the right to enjoy their homes, within reason, and what is reasonable is to be able to go up and down the stairs. What is reasonable is families make more noise than a single person. 10.20 is not late for a few loud noises. 1am maybe something to complain about, and even then it would have to be a regular disturbance for me to take action.
Night hours are defined as 11pm-7am.
I had done reno work in a flat and the woman upstairs had set all sorts of conditions as she had ‘insomnia and slept in til 10am’. Well too bad my builders start at 8, and they did try to do quieter work but sometimes it was inevitable. She even called the environmental officer who came and rolled his eyes and said some noise was to be expected during building work.
Really some people are too precious.

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 25/07/2019 20:31

YANBU - short of learning unaided flight how is your darling son going to get to the upper storey? Possibly if he was doing it at 4am she might have a point, but even then the problem is with the construction of the house, not your use of it!

snowbear66 · 25/07/2019 20:36

Of course YANBU it's normal family noise.
My god I've had worse from our neighbours and not felt the need to complain.

Fae1989 · 25/07/2019 20:43

@FriarTuck - OP was just giving a bit more context to the situation, she wasn't asking for sympathy. That's a seriously horrible and unfair thing to say. But, if people do have disabilities, they're entitled to consideration and compassion - they're also entitled to say they have a disability!

She's explained in more detail so people can offer advice, so how rude of you to accuse her of bad parenting and using it as an excuse.

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 25/07/2019 20:52

Kids running up and down shouting and laughing isn't normal life noise though. Last night was so hard to sleep anyway, it really doesn't matter if if was ten minutes if it woke her up.

I might be biased because I have really noisy neighbours!

Absolutepowercorrupts · 25/07/2019 20:54

@MidsomerBurgers
Nasty comment. Try reading the op and their subsequent posts before you rush to judgement. If I lived next door to you, I'd be partying every fucking night, just to piss you off. Cruelty is dead easy online, you never have to see the effects of your viciousness.

@FriarTuck, does it make you feel better to be so fucking cruel? Do you feel good now that you've vented your nastiness on a person you've never met?

LonelyGir1 · 25/07/2019 20:55

Don't worry about it. She's 71 so you won't have to deal with this for much longer...

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 25/07/2019 20:58

Kids running up and down shouting and laughing isn't normal life noise though.

This is an extraordinary assertion Grin

Malvinaa81 · 25/07/2019 21:01

Teenagers charging up and down the stairs and yelling at 10.20pm with an elderly neighbour.

Of course it's wholly reasonable.

HeyThereDelilah1 · 25/07/2019 21:06

Just be grateful that friar tuck isn’t your neighbour - I’m sure you’ll sort it out with her Flowers

ThingInTheAttic · 25/07/2019 21:46

Thanks everyone, for the sensible replies, (both YABU and YANBU) forhelping me get a bit of perspective. To those who say I am dismissive of her complaint, can I just reiterate that the first time she mentioned it last year, I was polite, apologised, asked my son to try to remember to walk quietly up the stairs, and did this for weeks. I then checked with her after a few months to see if the noise had improved and she said that it had. So I don't think I have dismissed her complaints completely- I felt the complaint about last night was a bit much, but it was only when she said that my son has been annoying her for months (after she had said he hadn't) that I got defensive.
Last night was a complete one off, we were returning from holiday, we didn't plan to arrive late, and the boys weren't 'screaming'- they were just laughing and calling to each other as they went up the stairs for ten minutes, because and glad to be out of a car, and they are 13 and so can't be relied on to always think of other people's needs. l heard them after ten minutes and stopped them. Some replies seem to have assumed I have children screaming and laughing every night which I totally agree would be unreasonable, and I wouldn't have that. I just have the one boy normally and he's pretty quiet, he usually in his room reading or using xbox/laptop with headphones. Anyway, not trying to dripfeed, just clarifying the background again. Thanks again, everyone. I haven't apologised yet or seen her tonight, but I certainly will just be polite when I do see her, as have no wish to escalate things.

OP posts:
Namechangeforthiscancershit · 25/07/2019 21:49

This is an extraordinary assertion

True, those would be weird children! I meant to say after 10pm. Sorry!

My version would be great though.

skybluee · 25/07/2019 21:52

I guess it depends what it was like, if it was a load of banging on the stairs and shouting at each other for the full 10 minutes then I can see why it was annoying, but everything else just sounds normal.

She can't really tell you everything is fine when you ask and THEN complain though!

stucknoue · 25/07/2019 21:52

Whilst 10.20 is getting later it's hardly the middle of the night. She is being intolerant. Next time she complains tell her it's normal noise which every household makes. But it's reasonable to take off shoes before going upstairs to limit the noise and get talking on the stairs to "inside voices" level. My dd wakes me every morning at 5.30am in her steel toe capped workboots, thankfully we are detached!

incogKNEEto · 25/07/2019 22:08

I don’t think it is reasonable for your neighbour to be so unpleasant, and given the information you have posted to say anything other than your son was a little thoughtless last night. Yes to earplugs, when you live in a semi you do hear occasional noise from the neighbours.

I think FriarTuck needs a name change to TiredFuck, maybe the heat is getting to them and has burnt out their empathy switch!

Mumofone1860 · 25/07/2019 22:13

I live in a semi and hear my neighbour, especially their baby every night, but who cares! I am sure they hear my toddler tantrums too! If you live in a semi it can't be helped! If she doesn't like you to use stairs in your own house she should buy you a stair lift or move to a detached house Grin. Yes 10:30 is late to unpack a car but it was a one off,I don't think YABU

Broken11Girl · 25/07/2019 23:35

Some teens do bang and clump around, without even realising it, and even when trying not to. Shouting and running around at 10:20pm was inconsiderate, tbh. You could've stopped to let them stretch their legs.
That said, if you have neighbours you will get noise and she sounds very passive-aggressive.
Noises sometimes carry oddly - my upstairs neighbour hoovering sounds like a military helicopter taking off in my flat but I can't really expect them not to hoover and it's not anything they're doing as long as it's not at 4am.

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