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Do vegetarians kill flys and spiders

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julensaor · 24/07/2019 01:19

Just that really? Does the vegetarian philosophy only stretch to what goes into the mouth and is digested or is it goodwill to every life that has a presence on this earth?

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julensaor · 24/07/2019 02:13

Thank you @ComtesseDeSpair; this is what I mean, a poorly worded OP has gotten 'some' posters backs up.

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Greyhound22 · 24/07/2019 02:24

I kill flies because they spread disease and are generally horrid.

I would never kill a spider and it makes me quite cross that anyone would - I don't even chuck them out what harm are they doing really?

TooMuch87 · 24/07/2019 02:44

A vegetarian is just someone who doesn’t eat dead animals. I’m a very strict vegetarian and it doesn’t make me any less of one because I wear leather or kill spiders. I’m not eating them so it’s irrelevant.

I don’t imagine many vegetarians would have a problem with killing flies or spiders. I mean if you love animals that much then you wouldn’t even be a vegetarian, you’d be a vegan.

dimdarkashian · 24/07/2019 02:49

Surely the spiders can only catch the flies to eat if they have a cobweb? So, do you leave cobwebs around the house then?

julensaor · 24/07/2019 02:55

I’m a very strict vegetarian and it doesn’t make me any less of one because I wear leather or kill spiders. I’m not eating them so it’s irrelevant

No, just because you are not eating them does not make it irrelevant. It's not pick and mix. Here is the other thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3645215-To-contact-a-restaurant-to-suggest-that-their-dish-containing-aged-parmesan-should-not-be-listed-as-vegetarian

If you sidestep from what it is to be vegetarian then you are NOT a vegetarian. I started this thread because it it a philosophy and killing anything does not sit with that philosophy. You can't do much according to vegetarians on this thread; and I certainly can't believe you could kill a spider Shock

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AnnaFiveTowns · 24/07/2019 03:10

I'm vegetarian and I really struggle to kill anything. I can't hoover up spider webs because I can see lots of baby spiders in them. So I either leave them hanging or get a broom and sweep them off. I feel conflicted about flies but I will kill mosquitoes without a thought - which doesn't really make sense, I know.

themouldneverbotheredmeanyway · 24/07/2019 03:22

It depends why you are vegetarian.

I don't want intelligent animals to suffer distress and pain unnecessarily.
The more self-aware and intelligent the animal is, the more I care about their suffering.
I think modern industrial farming is particularly cruel and treats animals inhumanely.
I don't want to eat beef and pork which through huge carbon footprint will contribute to death of millions of people through climate change.

I don't think killing animals in itself is always morally wrong.
I don't think all lives (human, animal, insect, louse) are equal.

Allegedly Hitler was a vegetarian, for health reasons, not for animal welfare concerns.

Other vegetarians will have different opinions.

themouldneverbotheredmeanyway · 24/07/2019 03:24

I forgot to say, quickly killing a fly or spider would not upset me at all (although being squeamish I wouldn't do it myself). I don't see that has contrary to my reasons for not eating meat.

julensaor · 24/07/2019 04:30

The more self-aware and intelligent the animal is, the more I care about their suffering

Who knows how intelligent anything is? It is contrary to choosing some not to eat and others it is ok. look at the new tribe discovered in the amazon, are we going to eat them? They look like us, so no, but what else? Pick and mix.

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TwistyTop · 24/07/2019 04:51

Already thrown my opinion in here on the first page, but came back to see what others were saying as it's an interesting topic. Just wanted to add - I'm really surprised by how many people think that this is a weird question! Most vegetarians I have known do it for ethical reasons, and wouldn't intentionally kill any living creature. They tend not to wear leather either. I don't really see how that's veganism? I think people are getting confused. Being vegan involves avoiding lots of products which can be gained without animals having to die - honey, milk, eggs etc.

Myfoolishboatisleaning · 24/07/2019 04:53

My vegetarian daughter worms and defleas her pets. Your comparison is idiotic, have a little think.

TooMuch87 · 24/07/2019 04:57

If you sidestep from what it is to be vegetarian then you are NOT a vegetarian. I started this thread because it it a philosophy and killing anything does not sit with that philosophy.

I haven't read the other thread, plus it's late and I'm tired, so I'm probably missing the point Smile

But as a vegetarian of 20 years, I've always understood it to mean someone who doesn't eat animals (including gelatine and other bits of dead animal). That's what it means to be a vegetarian. The reasoning behind that choice (financial, ethical, health, environmental, cultural etc) is unimportant. I don't have any ethical objections, I just find the idea of eating dead animals disgusting. Like some people find the idea of eating broccoli, blue cheese, marmite or jellied eels disgusting. I'm not sure what the 'vegetarian philosophy' is. But like I say, if someone cares so deeply about animal welfare, they probably wouldn't be a vegetarian. Because the egg and dairy industries are also cruel to animals.

Fyette · 24/07/2019 05:59

I am a vegetarian mostly because of the issues I have with the meat & fishing industries - they are cruel, inhumane and there is of course the environmental impact.

I do not habitually kill spiders and flies (mosquitos, yes), but will if they enter my home and then act as particularly rude guests (no spider will survive walking on me). If a cow invaded my home and walked on me, I might also kill that cow (although I am a coward and give the cow much better odds than myself, so might prefer to keep the peace in spite of my annoyance).

Booboostwo · 24/07/2019 06:55

Being vegetarian tells you what people don’t eat, not the reasons why they do not eat it, someone could be vegetarian because they don’t like meat, while someone else has a deep philosophical commitment to not harming other.

For example, Jainism centers around the belief that to harm others is to harm the self and that include all others. So it’s the killing and harming of animals that matters not the eating as such. Some Jain monks are known to sweep the ground before their feet to avoid stepping on insects.

There are a lot of accounts of why you might not want to harm other sentient beings, the most influential in the vegetarian/vegan movement has been Peter Singer’s equal consideration of interests principle. Beings matter not because of their species (Christian view of special nature of humans because they have a soul, animals put on earth to benefit us), but because they have interests. Any interest counts equally, so one ‘unit’ of pain felt by a slug counts as much as one ‘unit’ of pain felt by a human. Some beings, e.g. humans, great apes, dolphins, etc, May have more complex interests such as the need for social interaction and extended familial relationships, so may overall outweigh other interests, e.g. the mosquito’s interest not to be killed.

VivienneHolt · 24/07/2019 06:58

Depends on the veggie. I don’t kill spiders, I evict them. I don’t really kill flies but have swatted mosquitos. Never really thought about it as a ‘philosophy’ but in any event I don’t consider swatting the odd insect comparable to supporting the brutal meat farming industry.

ImogenTubbs · 24/07/2019 07:00

Yes, but we don't eat them afterwards.

Seriously though... people are vegetarian for all kinds of different reasons - it isn't one church, so you'll find as many different answers to this question as you'd get if you asked meat eaters.

FWIW - I tend not to kill spiders, no, but will kill flies if they are really bugging me.

VivienneHolt · 24/07/2019 07:00

Who knows how intelligent anything is? It is contrary to choosing some not to eat and others it is ok. look at the new tribe discovered in the amazon, are we going to eat them? They look like us, so no, but what else? Pick and mix.

Are you suggesting that some people might advocate cannibalism because we don’t know how intelligent a newly discovered tribe is...?

Ohyesiam · 24/07/2019 07:01

I’m vegetarian and I clean my toilets. I want those bacteria dead.

Pinkarsedfly · 24/07/2019 07:02

I can’t believe so many of you kill spiders!

They’re lovely! They make beautiful webs and catch flies, so they’re useful too.

Flies, wasps and ants can fuck off, though.

BertrandRussell · 24/07/2019 07:03

I’m not a vegetarian but I don’t kill spiders. Why would you kill spiders?

polkadotpixie · 24/07/2019 07:04

I'm vegetarian and I try not to kill anything at all, including spiders and flies

The only exceptions I make are to de-flea and worm my pets and I will kill nits when DS inevitably gets them

Other than that, no I don't

C8H10N4O2 · 24/07/2019 07:07

Oh look, it must be hours since the last thread to whine about vegetarians and vegans.

DownByTheRiverside · 24/07/2019 07:17

I kill parasites, and I include horseflies and mozzies in that category. I also kill wasps inside my house. Individual choice, like meat eaters and their ethical choices.

PleaseGoogleIt · 24/07/2019 07:39

No I don't.

I can't bare it when we go to DH's grandparents and they're sat there with their fly swatters Angry

Fifipopopo · 24/07/2019 07:41

I don't. I do kill moths, it's a war.