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I don't know what we are waiting for...

90 replies

JMel · 20/07/2019 18:24

Hi everyone,

So to set the scene, I was a single mother for a long time, my son will be 10 soon, I had him at age 21 (had a massive haemorrhage after birth and nearly didn't make it).

3 years ago I met a wonderful man, no children of his own. He's 35 and I'm now 31. When single I was indifferent to having more kids, I suppose I was just trying to keep going and keep a roof etc, but when I met him he wanted kids and I have come around to also want more, now that we are very comfortable and I can imagine such things!

We are currently not seeing eye to eye on marriage and kids, we both want both, really want both. However I would marry him tomorrow wearing a sack in a registry. He thinks we need loads of money to get married, or for him to even ask. He wants us to be financially stable. Same answer regarding kids.

Now, dear reader, I class us as extremely financially stable. I own my house outright (no mortgage) and we have a household income of over 50k a year. I say to him we are beyond lucky in our position (it is all quite new to us both, 3 years ago we were not in this position at all, but I inherited enough money to clear my mortgage and he started a business which is now very successful, he gets dividends from shares each year on top of his income) but he never thinks it is enough to have kids. He seems terrified of not being able to afford to support us all. And I just know I raised my son on next to nothing and he never went without, so to me it makes no sense.

We are also not getting any younger, I am terrified of having more kids too late in life, since at age 21 it nearly finished me off, the risks are obviously higher in your 30's and I don't want to push my luck. He is just so focussed on the money and cannot see it any other way, but also he cannot say what counts as "enough".

I feel like my life is being dictated by an unknown quantity, he says he will know when te time is right, but that to me seems so unfair. His younger siblngs are all getting married and having kids and they have mortgages and lower income than us. What can I do?

As a side not he is the most amazing step fater, has encouraged me to take a break from working so I can focus on my son and his wellbeing as much as possible (he was having a tough time last year) and he is happy to pay for everything for my son and I, which was hard for me to get used to but he is beyond caring and an amazing role model. He just does not seem to understand the whole life passing us by while we wait for "enough" money (whatever that is!). I don't think there ever will be an amount that is enough, because it is such a loose goal.

TIAx

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JMel · 21/07/2019 00:33

I deeply hated that job, I was in tears on a regular basis after work. Are you saying you wouldn't encourage your partner to leave a horrible situation they felt stuck in? If that's the case it's your partners I feel sorry for!

I was on the forum to gain some insight into whether others had similar experiences of men being a bit innocently nervous about the financial implications of marriage and kids. It has been entirely misinterpreted ad me being stuck in some kind of abusive relationship. I'm actually ridiculously happy, and lucky for me marriage is not the be all and end all. I can still manage to carry on living a very fun, adventurous and happy life with a kind, loving and generous man.

If he didn't want to be here, he wouldn't be enthusiastically attending my sons sporting tournaments, and teaching him to code and build robots with his spare time. He wouldn't spend hours playing mine craft even though he finds it beyond tedious.
He wouldn't rub my feet every night and buy me flowers for no reason, he wouldn't have sent my best friend a card (unpromted) to congratulate her for passing her degree.

You really are a miserable bunch. You've all made me feel so lucky, and so much better about my own life, because I can see the good in people and you all just go around spreading your own misery. Probably projecting your own horrible relationships on to others. Thank you for the perspective. Could be so much worse!

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MooseBeTimeForSummer · 21/07/2019 00:33

If he has paid for any works on your home which have increased its value he has a claim on that increase in the event of your separation.

Have you actually seen his Will?

McHorace · 21/07/2019 00:36

I had a man 'who loved me very much'. I gave up work to raise our kids whilst he rose to the top of his career earning £70 +. We were unmarried. He left. I started all over again as I had very little money. I survived I don't know how. That's only half of this story.

Do not give up work and be financially independent on any man. This is your cautionary tale.

JMel · 21/07/2019 00:36

Well lucky for me he hasn't paid for any repairs. Again though, none of your business. And yes I have seen his will, we attended the same solicitor and did them together. Lol! So determined for him to be the devil aren't we?

I've no idea how any of these questions relate to my OP. But you'll not catch him out I'm afraid. Again, not stupid, not naive.

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JMel · 21/07/2019 00:39

McHorace, I'm very sorry that happened to you. I was also left in a horrible way by a horrible man. That's how I became a single mother. I learned a lot from it, and I also learned that many men are not evil. A lot of men do actually really love their partners and stay with them. But I'm sorry yours was not one of them. Sincerely.

But your story does not mean my partner is a bad person x

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Herocomplex · 21/07/2019 00:41

Is there a chance he’s already married to someone else?

McHorace · 21/07/2019 00:44

My tale is cautionary; my thoughts remain that it is foolish to stop work and even more so being unmarried and relying on a man who seems reluctant to marry you.

JMel · 21/07/2019 00:44

Herocomplex
No, absolutely no chance. I'm very close to his family, there has never been another woman of significance, let alone another wife! Lol x

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JMel · 21/07/2019 00:46

McHorace I wouldn't describe it as reluctant to marry me. But he is nervous, about the financial side of it. And it can be a lot of money getting married. So I didn't think that would be a very surprising thing for a man to be worried about but clearly I was mistaken!

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Starrynights86 · 21/07/2019 00:46

Some men just don’t want to get married. Is it the marriage more than the child that he’s dragging his feet on? You could always go back to work part time now if you felt so inclined to get maternity pay etc and as long as you have the house protected you will be fine.

I’m not married and not particularly fussed about it, we have a mortgage and children which are big commitments in themselves! I don’t live in the UK though and where I live, de facto relationships are treated exactly the same as a marriage so there are no legal benefits to be married.

Nearlyalmost50 · 21/07/2019 00:46

similar experiences of men being a bit innocently nervous about the financial implications of marriage and kids

Your reason for him not wanting to commit (or rather the reason he keeps giving) doesn't make sense. He's already paying for you and your son, so he knows exactly what having a SAH parent and a child cost.

I don't know why he doesn't want to get married to you, or have kids right now. He may not like the institution of marriage in general, it may be about you, who knows? But if you earn a lot and are already supporting one stay at home parent, then his reasoning doesn't really make sense (in fact, it would be the ideal time for you to have a baby).

This isn't about money, whatever he says.

Tippexy · 21/07/2019 00:46

He may be the best thing since sliced bread, but he doesn’t want to marry you.

JMel · 21/07/2019 00:47

Also having been screwed over in the past, I am not naive enough to not have my own money, for a rainy day. So if he does leave, if you are all correct and he is for some reason being incredibly kind as some sort of long game...we will be ok :) x

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PositiveVibez · 21/07/2019 00:50

Probably projecting your own horrible relationships on to others

No actually. In fact we've been together happily for 17 years and it's our 12 year wedding anniversary tomorrow.

See, we both wanted kids and to get married - so we did. None of this bullshit I want to be financially stable before I put a ring on it or give you my sperm

We worked it out TOGETHER. Not with one person having the deciding 'vote'

If I was in a crap job and not married to my partner and had a kid to support - I'd get another job. I wouldn't just stop working because my boyfriend said he would support me financially.

You are extremely defensive about your partner.

could be so much worse is not really a barometer to set your relationship by now is it?

Nobody is saying he is the devil. People are just telling you to watch your back. That's all.

I'll be surprised if you're not in this exact same position this time next year.

Herocomplex · 21/07/2019 00:51

That’s good. I don’t really understand then, if he says he wants to be married and have children but he’s taking no steps to actually achieve those things maybe he’s just saying them to make you happy?
You could give him an ultimatum, but I don’t think thats very helpful. What would you do, leave him if he refused?
You don’t seem to have a choice. But I’d start to feel a bit aggrieved that he was in charge of things by saying one thing but doing another.

JMel · 21/07/2019 00:52

Starrynights86
He's the more traditional one, he's more keen on marriage and kids than I am, I wasnt bothered at all until I met him and now I quite like the idea. It is definitely about money, he has never had to support anyone but himself before, and has only been the sole breadwinner since January so it's still an adjustment. He worries about his business failing (which it isn't, and isn't likely to) and not being able to support us. These are all reasonable worries for the main earner. My reason for posting was maybe advice on how to make him feel more stable about it, and reassure him an extra child won't bankrupt us. Sadly I've just ended up defending a very nice person.

Thank you for a kind reply Smile

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JMel · 21/07/2019 00:56

Herocomplex
I was hoping for tips on how to discuss it with him and reassure him. I think I came to the wrong place, I have never posted on here before. An ultimatum is definitely not the way to solve it, but I can see what you mean! Lol
If we end up not doing it then that's fine, I think it would be a bit sad as we do both want another child and marriage but for me marriage is not the be all and end all. I think it's all been a bit blown out of proportion!

Thank you for your advice Smile x

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JMel · 21/07/2019 00:58

PositiveVibez
Poor name choice, no? X

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PositiveVibez · 21/07/2019 00:58

These are all reasonable worries for the main earner

Do you mean 'sole-earner'?

So get a new job. Help allay his fears. Help save for this financial stability he so craves for.

Your child will be in high school soon?

What are you going to do then?

You don't want to be out of the job market too long. It will be hard to get back in to.

Starrynights86 · 21/07/2019 00:59

@jmel a beautiful registry office and lovely restaurant meal is still a great wedding!

It does sound like stress about being the sole breadwinner with his own business, maybe if you could get a part time job it would help alleviate his worries.

PositiveVibez · 21/07/2019 01:01

No not at all Grin

I am a very positive person. I just think your daft packing in work to rely on a partners income when you have a child.

Your bloke truly sounds like Mr Wonderful.

He just doesn't want to marry you any time soon. You just need to accept that. There's no advice anyone can give you to ease your worries.

JMel · 21/07/2019 01:03

Starrynight86

Before the terrible job last year I ran my own business as a seamstress. Currently a lack.of space is he only thing stopping me, but I am itching g to get back to being self employed, trouble I have it that I'd need to rent a space to get back to it, so it's spend money to make money and we are approaching summer hols where I'll be needed at home, but come september I'm on the hunt for a work space Smile

I agree, I don't need a flashy wedding, but maybe he doesn't know that! X

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Nearlyalmost50 · 21/07/2019 01:03

I feel like my life is being dictated by an unknown quantity, he says he will know when the time is right, but that to me seems so unfair

He's the decision-maker. You have no control, in fact he's not even going to 'ask' you to marry him til he's decided the time is right and he can't tell you when that time will be. It's not 'very traditional' to live with a mum and her son before marriage? In what way is he traditional? (apart from saying it).

I'd be pushing for a very honest conversation. It may be like you say that he wants to get the business stable and off the ground, perhaps he's happy with the way things are and doesn't really want another child in the mix at the moment. You need to find out.

I would always keep my earning power, I have reason to be incredibly grateful I did, as I needed to use it later in life. If you are very well-cushioned, this may be less of an issue.

lexie555 · 21/07/2019 01:04

i completely agree op, i know some people like this and they just constantly assume the worse and that there is a sinister reason behind people's actions all the time it would drive me crazy thinking that way all the time. your dp sounds like he loves you very much, i just think he isn't ready to actualy take the next step even if he want's to. i know my hubby is like this, he always say's if i got pregnant with baby number 2 unplanned he would be happy...he just doesn't want to actualy make the decision to get pregnant againConfusedlol. i think you need to really sit down and have a proper conversation about why he is afraid to move foward x

JMel · 21/07/2019 01:07

Lexie555
Thank you! Felt I was going a bit mad there. I didn't think this was an unusual problem with men lol! Glad you have a similar outlook, men can be tricky beasts haha
He's not the best at the proper conversations, they make him nervous...he thinks his parents divorce was his fault as he lost his temper at his dad for arguing with his mum, so he worries he will lose his temper and lose people, and therefore clams up. So I have to be delicate! I'll plan my approach x

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