I am terrified of the climate emergency but more terrified by how ambivalent others seem to be about it!

[CopperPatch]

Just that really, I see people sharing things on social media, commenting on threads, talking about climate change etc but actually changing their lives very, very little - or finding ways to justify not taking action.... it is not scaremongering, it is not a fear project, our planet will no longer sustain human life because of us but so, so many people seem to not care, or only care on a surface level - great click bait but changing their lives in any way seems a step to far. Yes we need wide-scale political and economic shifts but we also need every day action from every day people - and that is EVERYONE'S responsibility!!!! AIBU to expect more of everyone?!

Extinction Rebellion, part of a hard left Marxist group RiseUp! Who’s stated aim, which you can see on their own website, is to install full communism in the U.K. by causing as much disruption and mayhem as possible. Similar to how the co-founder of Greenpeace stared that his former scientifically based movement had been hijacked by anarchists and anti capitalists and had shunned the scientific method completely
It is exactly the same brigade that pushes the gender-spectrum crap as well. go figure. Funny how they didn't try any road blocking during the Pride events.

I live in a society where the over 60s are in majority...it's a hard place to be, let alone argue. Just let them have the cake that they deserve, and hope that cake doesn't end us all.

I live in a society where the over 60s are in majority...it's a hard place to be

What a lovely attitude towards the old

We buy their stuff, we create the demand, we drive the process. We are China

Arguably the case twenty years ago but now they have a healthy domestic market plus clients all over the world not just the West

Thread has gone eerily quiet now that a few people have challenged the panicking herd mentality?

This floated past my eyes and I thought of this thread ...

onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2018/09/22/30-yrs-later-global-warming-still-hasnt-sunk-maldives

Thread has gone eerily quiet now that a few people have challenged the panicking herd mentality?. No, we're all outside despairing at the heat and wondering how long the deniers will stay in denial..

I'll bite short stuff.
Your first post was a wonderful post of terrifying opinions. Lots of definite articles to punctuate your issues. You had a few. "The" this, and "People that" ... Lots of copy/paste arguments...
Your attitude towards people over 60 being "old" says a lot about who you are, and where your coming from.

I realised recently there's no point worrying. The majority think their "right" to keep breeding is more important than human extinction so we are going to die and we deserve it, as a whole.

Just be thankful you probably won't be alive to see the really bad times. Those children will be.

AnAc depends where you live, some poor (literally, always going to be the poor) people are already feeling the effects. Hurricane in Mozambique earlier this year?

JoelMc

I was quoting someone else and challenging their opinion

Your failure to see this simple thing shows a lot about your lack of ability to understand complex geo political issues.

“No, we're all outside despairing at the heat and wondering how long the deniers will stay in denial..“

So you think a hot day indicates climate change. When global temperatures have been increasing since the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago

Life must be challenging for you if you extrapolate like that from such a limited anecdotal data set

Vivadelgarda I think we'll all start to feel the effects in the next few decades but I don't think current adults will see when it gets really bad. Who knows!

It's not one hot day, though.

There was the long hot Summer last year, prolonged heatwaves over Europe for the last few years, the American heatwaves, the Australian droughts.

The temperatures aren't rising steadily and slowly, they are spiking.

If you flipped a coin 10 times would you expect 5 heads?

Joel mc sorry I misread your post and am even more confused now

Do you think people in their 60’s are young?

Average life expectancy in the U.K. is 81

What is old if a 65 year old with 15 years left to live isn’t old? Bizarre.

Perhaps we just have different definitions of 'old people'. Is it how times they've orbited the sun, or is it how they feel?
Doesn't matter. Sorry to everyone for going off topic.

@Shortstuff99

People thinking that we are to blame for a rising temperature which has been climbing since the end of the ice age long before you had your wood burner or the industrialisation of the last 150 years

As far as I'm aware, the consensus amongst climate scientists is that yes, the earth does go through natural cycles of warming and cooling but the current, rapid warming we're experiencing corresponds with levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and cannot be explained by the planet's natural warming and cooling cycle. Can you provide reliable scientific sources that support your claim?

The fact that there is a fast growing scientific consensus against man made climate change but billions and maybe trillions are being blindly spent on pointless and meaningless things like manufacturing ‘clean’ devices and power that actually have long complex supply chains that cause massive pollution

There is no scientific consensus- fast growing or otherwise- against man made climate change. You've just made that up. I do agree that most 'clean' energy and technology will never replace fossil fuels while maintaining our current way of living and even if they did, they'd be neither clean nor sustainable.

People with zero clue about how far the U.K. has come in terms of recycling, energy efficiency and awareness / reduction of emissions vs the rest of the world

People with zero clue how tiny the U.K. is in terms of these things in the global scale compared to behemoths like China, USA and Russia. Look for some numbers you’re wasting your time in the UK

Plenty of people on this thread alone have commented on how tiny the UK and our contribution is compared to the likes of China and the US so these aren't exactly groundbreaking points. Though even if people are ignorant to these facts, it seems like a weird thing for you to be terrified about.

The fact that despite us not being able to accurately forecast the weather or deal with a bit of snow, or the fact that the last few Glastonbury’s have been sunny, that maybe this isn’t a fast accelerating trend influenced by mankind

Yeah, I think I'll listen to and read papers written by the experts who have spent decades researching this topic rather than the ramblings of some random internet user.

@Shortstuff99

The fact that despite us not being able to accurately forecast the weather or deal with a bit of snow, or the fact that the last few Glastonbury’s have been sunny, that maybe this isn’t a fast accelerating trend influenced by mankind

In addition to all the good points already made by Banana....have you perhaps thought that we're a little bit more concerned about the following rather than Glasto being on the warm side?

• Significant increase in the frequency and, particularly, the intensity of hurricanes so that what were previously considered '1 in 500 year' events are now happening quite frequently (Katrina, Harvey, Maria, etc)

• Frequent heatwaves breaking global records and killing thousands of people (15,000 people in France alone during last year)

• Much more frequent and intense wildfires across the globe - California, Greece, Australia - leading to loss of lives

• Africa has seen a decrease in rainfall over large parts of the Sahel and Southern Africa, and an increase in parts of Central Africa. Over the past 25 years, the number of weather-related disasters, such as floods and droughts, has doubled, resulting in Africa having a higher mortality rate from droughts than any other region

But y'know as long as 'Pam from Basildon' or whoever you are is okay I guess that's all fine...

Climate change deniers are like flat-earthers imv, not worth engaging with.

There are loads of things we can do, here are four:

• Go Vegan
• Go Palm Oil-Free
• Ditch single-use plastic
• Stop buying cheap clothes a la Primark.

Climate change deniers are like flat-earthers imv, not worth engaging with.

It’s easy do disprove flat earth theories as they are anecdotal and not based on scientific method

Unfortunately based on what I’ve read here I’d say the climate change position is closer to that, so far we’ve had a few heatwaves, and someone complaining that it was a hot day.

If you think a discussion is below you then that’s how people in cults behave. It’s not convincing to the outside world I’m afraid. It should be easy to argue against something if it’s as wrong as flat Earth.

There are loads of things we can do, here are four:- Go Vegan...

Hate to do this to you but rice cultivation is one of the major global contributors to greenhouse gas emissions. 2.5% of climate change due to rice farming. Why not campaign against that? Oh no it doesn’t suit your left wing agenda.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/environment/rice-farming-climate-change-global-warming-india-nitrous-oxide-methane-a8531401.html%3famp

@Shortstuff99 We're still waiting for your evidence. With the fast growing scientific consensus against man-made climate change it shouldn't be taking this long for you to find some evidence that doesn't come from some right wing conspiracy website?

And while you're searching for this elusive evidence, I suggest you also do some reading on the Dunning-Kruger Effect.