To wonder how one would go about abolishing private schools?

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If anyone is following the @abolisheton campaign, they state their aim is to integrate private schools into the public sector and hope this to be included in Labours next manifesto.

My children are about to start independent school, having had a terrible time for a whole host of reasons in their state primary.

Aside from the moral argument for or against private schools, I am very interested in whether it would be legally possible to abolish private schools and how this would happen? Would this even be feasible realistically?

I support private schools. Doesn't bother me if others choose to send their children to private schools.

Mine are happy in state system. I'm not jealous of others sending their children to private schools. Jealousy isn't worth the effort.

Ahh I see sion.

So rather like Paul macartnys kids going state, but Stella ending up successful it's the parents money.

Oh dear.

So mn who are Wealthy then but crow about deliberately avoiding the private system as its unfair are on loosing wicket morally anyway?

Because they will be immediately giving their off spring a leg up due to sheer wealth.
And cultural capital and all the other advantages, more space, prettier homes and so on.

Oh dear.

No Bertrand it is an expectation that those educated in the best schools should be more adapt and better. Therefore candidates should be held to a higher standard than those educated in comprehensive schools.

Finally all children capable of being educated in a selective environment should get that opportunity, whether in a grammar school or via an assisted place.

The abolition of assisted places being the policy that most stuck two fingers up to bright working class children with aspiration.

knitted, thats exactly what the private school parents on the other thread said.

Its true, and it means there is no point abolishing private schools.

It does make the parents who claim they eat beans for years to afford private school look rather stupid though

Also why should working class kids with aspiration go private ? Comprehensive schools that are well funded are the best vehicles of social mobility.

"those educated in the best schools should be mote adept and better."

Hahahahah look at the favourite for PM when you say that

“No Bertrand it is an expectation that those educated in the best schools should be more adapt and better. Therefore candidates should be held to a higher standard than those educated in comprehensive schools.”

Good luck at the employment tribunal!

Haven't read the full thread, but Diane Abbott famously sent her son to private school - she had her reasons , but then so does everyone..!

Rather unfair that she has been able to benefit from the system that her party now seeks to take down.

Its not policy.

Apologies if someone has referred to this above, but the letter in the Sunday Times today from "Labour Against Private Schools" just shows the stupidity of this campaign. To quote from the letter..

"There would be no job losses, as private school staff would transfer to the state sector. New school places would not be needed, because the assets of private schools would be managed by local authorities. The charitable endowments of public schools would bring additional resources."

So... that suggests Labour would confiscate the assets of all the independent schools - in other words steal private property: that all the teachers would happily transfer: that all the managerial and admin staff would still have jobs: that all the charitable endowments could be appropriated stolen by the state;

I have never read such a load of naive, dangerous bollocks in my life.

Its not policy.

Why's that, if the cause is so just and righteous? Why doesn't Labour just go and join the Tories if they're going to stand in the way of the People like this?

I have never read such a load of naive, dangerous bollocks in my life.

Yep - both vicious and stupid, that's the modern Labour Party.

That post made no sense.

JRM would like to ban abortion and Jeremy Hunt would limit the time you can get one.

But neither are policy so attacking ghe whole conservative party rather than two MPs would be incorrect.

To be fair some private schools that have gone into the state sector have retained their charitable endowments.

But neither are policy so attacking ghe whole conservative party rather than two MPs would be incorrect.

Are you going to pretend that it's just one or two Labour MPs who are in favour of abolition, and that the Labour membership wouldn't just love love love a vicious confiscatory policy like this one?

Over half of bursaries involve parents paying over 50 percent of the fees. Only 7 percent of pupils get any type of help and only 1 percent get a full ride

Sion how do you know the bursary arrangements of every single private school?

“Rather unfair that she has been able to benefit from the system that her party now seeks to take down.

Yes- it’s absolutely crap.

Because that is the data reported by their representative body the Independent Schools council.

If anything its likely to be less favourable than they report.

Sion, but according to your theory well funded comps will not ease social mobility because those with wealthy parents like Stella will always trample over the others.

Eg Stella. Apparently by a long way not best at fashion school. But obviously her parents wealth and contacts eased that abd she went state.

So I wonder if we need to de wealth everyone, it's the only way. Those with large country houses, expensive hobbies, no proper jobs.

Otherwise it's still not going to be fair is it and its pure fairness some posters want... Even better remove the child from the the parents because one child may make considerable naughty gains from their parents knowledge.

It’s not Labour Party polity anyway. It’a a idea put forward by a campaign group who are going to put a motion to conference. Which I suspect will be defeated.

Admissions policy is not set in stone, you know. An adventurous Secretary of State could create a much fairer system- some combination of ballot and fair banding would be my preference.

There would be no job losses, as private school staff would transfer to the state sector

Good luck with that. What if the private school staff don’t want to transfer to the state sector and decide on a different career?
Anyway I’ve read a number of times on mn that apparently these effete private school teachers wouldn’t be able to cope in a state school.
Would the state be allowed to appropriate the charitable endowments?
I agree Mateys, naive and dangerous bollocks.

Which I suspect will be defeated.

And if it isn't, that'll mean Labour's gone full-on Stupid Stalinist.

knitted, well funded comps improve outcomes for all who attend them. Particularly those who are from lower income backgrounds.

There will always be privilege at work in society and as such banning private schools would be ineffective.

However as we are all now acknowlegding these privileges its time to dismiss those who claim their own success is entirely down to their own efforts.

Better progressive taxation to fund schools properly.

Some people have a very low bar for Stalinism.

And some people have a very high tolerance for socialist stupidity.