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AIBU to find this fascinating? 4-Year-Old Australian Boy Claims to be Reincarnation of Princess Diana

97 replies

OneWorld · 18/07/2019 19:58

I really want this to be true, but I feel for the boy! All sorts of problems this kind of thing can cause for him!

www.thesun.co.uk/news/9517414/boy-claims-he-is-princess-diana/

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LaMarschallin · 18/07/2019 21:55

I knew one guy whose argument against reincarnation is that there are more people alive today than ever lived before.

All those extras will be the aforementioned dung beetles coming back (having mended their ways).

Not me, obviously.
I was Cleopatra.

nothingtowearever · 18/07/2019 22:08

I used to be convinced that I once was a 15 year old girl who was murdered. I can picture what I looked like and how I was killed so vividly. It's mental! Im now a massive true crime fan so maybe it was my over active imagination or maybe it was true 🤷🏼‍♀️

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 18/07/2019 22:24

I don't believe in reincarnation, as such but. Its a fact that even after death memory cannot be destroyed so it has to go somewhere. Perhaps it goes into the mind of of developing embryo. Therefore I think could pick up someones life events and memories rather actually been them in a past life, iyswim.

colourlessgreenidea · 18/07/2019 22:28

Its a fact that even after death memory cannot be destroyed so it has to go somewhere.

I don’t understand what you mean by ‘memory cannot be destroyed’ - can you explain this, please?

Ravingstarfish · 18/07/2019 22:29

Its a fact that even after death memory cannot be destroyed so it has to go somewhere.

So everyone with dementia has their memories magically flown to someone else?

LaMarschallin · 18/07/2019 22:32

Its a fact that even after death memory cannot be destroyed

I'm not sure I see what you mean
I remember ruining my new duvet cover with a felt tip pen as a child. I never admitted it (until now! You heard it here first!) so no one ever knew.
So that memory wouldn't have died with me and some poor random baby would have somehow acquired a fear of stationery near bedding?

RagingWhoreBag · 18/07/2019 22:35

@Ohnotanothernamechange I remember that little boy, he went into such huge detail about their house, the dog they owned, his families names etc - and most of it ended up adding up, but because he got one of the names slightly wrong it was dismissed as some sort of coincidence!!

I always thought it was such an interesting story and felt so sad for him, missing his old family and home, but it was lovely that he was at least taken to Barra and they took it seriously.

My DS used to talk about his other mum, and his brother and sister (before he had either) giving them (old fashioned) names that he would never have heard anyone use (his sister was called Fanny! Which is not a word I’ve ever used for genitals, and certainly not a woman’s name he’d have ever heard of at the age of 4)

I’m not really woo, but I do wonder if kids inherit some ‘memories’ through their DNA.

BookBookBook · 18/07/2019 22:37

‘It is a fact’ in this instance means ‘I once read and misunderstood something about energy on the internet’.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 18/07/2019 22:38

Have we been at the Take a Break again?

MissRhubarb · 18/07/2019 22:40

BookBookBook Thu 18-Jul-19 22:37:17
‘It is a fact’ in this instance means ‘I once read and misunderstood something about energy on the internet’.

hahaha

EmperorBallpitine · 18/07/2019 22:46

Just a random thought... Is one of his parents obsessed with Diana by any chance? Books about her in the house?

Durgasarrow · 18/07/2019 22:58

Why would a newspaper pay attention to a baby?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/07/2019 23:02

I knew one guy whose argument against reincarnation is that there are more people alive today than ever lived before

But that assumes that the total number of people alive must always be the same, which for believers isn't so at all

To put it at its simplest, you could have 100 people here today and say "ah, but a century ago there were only 80, so it's nonsense". But some of today's 100 may have have last been incarnated two or three centuries ago - and not necessarily as dungbeetles Wink - so the apparent numbers are always in flux

Darkcloudsandsunnydays · 18/07/2019 23:11

So anyway I was once this very famous ant..............

Bandara · 18/07/2019 23:21

It would make sense that very young children would remember their previous lives, as their memories are fresh, and then we forget as we get older

Winterlife · 18/07/2019 23:34

I do believe in reincarnation.

I read about a few American children with past life memories, the facts of which were confirmed. One was a WWII pilot who had very specific recollections, some of which were confirmed. Another remembered his life as a small time Hollywood agent. He also remembered his wives. None of that information was readily available. Some was confirmed by the deceased man’s daughter, now an old woman.

No opinion on this one.

Bandara · 18/07/2019 23:38

I knew the Unicorn was the national animal of Scotland - from an interview that Meghan Markle did! She was quizzed on it

Bandara · 18/07/2019 23:39

I read a whole book about this subject once - different chidren and their stories. I loved that alot of them in the book said that they looked down from heaven and had a selection of parents to choose from, and chose their parents

ElleEmDee · 18/07/2019 23:42

I doubt the parents are doing this for fame and fortune as the dad is already a celebrity in Australia and the child’s grandfather is an Australian rock music icon. (Jimmy Barnes)
I do think it’s very unfair on the child to have put this in the public domain.

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/07/2019 23:43

I believe this phenomenon to be true. There are too many stories for it not to be.

KatieKirk · 18/07/2019 23:59

The boy from Barra still upsets me now. He was so upset and missed his old family very much, and the details that he got were so specific. I think there’s lots of cases where reincarnation seems to be true.

KeepHimJolene · 19/07/2019 00:19

I have a past life that I have known about since a young child. I was 'in service' at 'the big house' and a 14yr old under maid working under the direction of the housekeeper. When I told my mum as a child she dismissed it scornfully saying I was lying. I have never until the last year or so spoken about my old life again for fear of ridicule but inside I know it happened, I have too much detail.

viques · 19/07/2019 00:25

there are too many stories for it not to be

Like all those stories about fairies, elves, leprechauns,mermaids,werewolves,vampires............?

Snidpan · 19/07/2019 00:27

YANBU

Icantreachthepretzels · 19/07/2019 00:32

I don't understand reincarnation at all. A person is who they are based on their experiences, which shape them, and the environment and time they live in. That means you are you because of the country you were born/ live in, the language you speak, the shared culture you are a part of, the sex you are, the people you know and the path through life you take.

So... you live your life. Die. And are born again in a different country, on the other side of the world. You are the opposite sex, it is several decades later (maybe centuries) which means belief, knowledge and societal norms have changed radically, you are a different faith/ no faith, you get a different education, you know and love completely different people, you hold different values and you have no memory of your previous life How the fuck are you the same person? How is this new person you?
Even pretending the existence of a soul is real and actual thing and that a soul can move around ... if it passes on no knowledge and memory of its last time around what is the point of it? What is its purpose? What is its essence? How is it you?
Reincarnation - the passing on of a soul to another body - kind of suggests that the soul is the important part of a human - that you are the soul and your body is just the vehicle the soul moves through. But if the soul has no memory - and differing experiences shapes a whole different person - what is the soul? Why is important? The person you were is dead. The new body of the soul has no memories of the old, has no links to their old family ... but the soul is the important bit that makes you you no matter how many bodies it hops into?
What exactly has been reincarnated - if you don't remember the last time around? It's not your body. It's not your personality. It's not your knowledge and experience. What has come back? What of you has actually come back?

If the soul doesn't bring knowledge and experience and personality traits, then it is at best like the engine of your body: the divine spark that moves you around. And the divine spark moves from body to body - but it clearly isn't sentient, because it doesn't take anything with it - we don't even know it's really there when it's inside of us. So it's just energy moving around but ... that then suggests that the energy is you, rather than your experiences and memories, and not just the thing moving you around. I'm afraid I think people are more complex and interesting than the amorphous blob of energy that drives them - it isn't that unknown, unseen, unproven essence that we love in our loved ones, or shapes ourselves. I think the idea that this 'soul' or 'energy' is what is actually meaningful about you does people a huge disservice. It's like taking the batteries out of your remote control, sticking them in a torch and then claiming that the remote was reincarnated as a torch. That's not what's happened. The power source has moved on - and the remote is now essentially dead.

So even if the same 'life force'/ 'soul'/ whatever that powered Joan of Arc is now inside of you - you are not Joan of Arc. You don't have her memories, you didn't live her life, you don't share her experiences - you probably don't share her values or beliefs. You are you. Joan of Arc is Joan of Arc. You just shared a battery. Just think of your own sense of self, your own lived experiences and how vivid all that is. You know full well that you're not somebody else, as well, or that one day you will be somebody else in the future. You have no 'Joan of Arc' sense of self - because you're not her.
Joan of Arc is dead and gone, and one day you will be - even if the battery moves on. And in this case, there is nothing left of her or you - because the 'soul' is now a brand new person who remembers neither - that seems a heck of a lot less comforting, and a heck of a lot more final than the idea of an afterlife. You are gone and the person now using your battery doesn't care or know - so the battery was never you.
I'm not saying this impossible - just that it really isn't worth giving a name to. It's swapping batteries. It's meaningless. The idea that you come back as a King or a Dung Beetle is a nonsense - your battery is recycled. You are dead.

Whilst I don't subscribe to the existence of souls or life after death, the pointlessness of a soul does not hold true in such belief systems - because the soul is you, in that when it moves on it remembers your life, loves who you loved - but is now in immortal form. Reincarnation is just unplugging you and plugging someone else into the same socket. And you are even more dead, because it turns out that soul was never 'yours'. It was a loaner.

To a certain extent the movement of energy being 'reincarnation' is fair enough. Energy can't be destroyed so it transfers into some other form - so to an extent you are 'reincarnated' in a less orderly form as the molecules that were you change into something else (but not one other thing - you disperse). But that is not the same as having once been Florence Nightingale and - again - is not really worth giving a name to, certainly not worth building some kind of spiritual belief around.

As for the weird things little children 'remember' - adults always underestimate how much tiny children hear and absorb. Children hear everything that is spoken over their heads, when grownups think they're not listening. They hear everything on the television. They don't understand everything, but they can repeat it back verbatim. Long after the adults forget they ever said the thing the child is repeating back to them as 'knowledge they couldn't possibly have.'

It's why it stops at about age 5 - not only are their brains less super absorbent as they get older, but as they get older you become more aware of what you're saying in front of them - what is on the television whilst they're in the room. They just don't have the same access to the info to repeat back at a later time and freak you out. And of course - the older they get - the better at understanding the difference between reality and make believe they get, they keep the stuff they make up in their head because they know it's not real. Tiny children don't have that filter - and get dreams, things they saw on the t.v and conversations they've overheard mixed up with reality.