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To think this was more than acceptable ?

94 replies

progestermoan · 18/07/2019 17:37

Married couple separate .....

Father worked full time mother part time

For 6 months the father who left paid ALL bills plus food to give the mother time to find full time work (dc all school age).
After that he stopped

Mother never allowed him to see the dc. He was meant to have some of the house but have it up so the dc always had a stable home.
Started seeing dc again when they got to 16/17 and could decide what to do themselves.....

The father wasn’t in any way unreasonable was he?

OP posts:
Disfordarkchocolate · 18/07/2019 18:29

So he paid maintenance, gave up any share in the house and your Mum worked. I'm not entirely sure why you were so broke but it may have been because your Mum could only get a poorly paid job or your Dad paid very little maintenance.

However, you have missed out on seeing your Dad. And, your Mam missed out on having a break. I can't understand why he never went to court about access but if your Mum was unstable he may not have wanted to 'rock the boat'. Or, he may not have actually wanted access, it does happen. I'd don't think there is a truth for you to find, more acceptance that this is your past.

progestermoan · 18/07/2019 18:29

There was no mortgage as it had been paid off a few months before df left, by his father which i find odd too but I have no idea what was going on he just paid the electric gas all the other bills but there was def no mortgage or rent

OP posts:
FriarTuck · 18/07/2019 18:30

I don’t understand why you lot always defend the woman, when quite clearly she was in the wrong stopping a man from seeing his children.
It actually disgusts me how anti-men so many of you are.
This ^^. If the roles had been reversed the father would still be criticised.

progestermoan · 18/07/2019 18:30

It’s just hard because to me he’s a good dad and I missed out on so many years

OP posts:
Zilla1 · 18/07/2019 18:32

Payment and access are treated separately in England and Wales by the authorities though often not by the resident parent. If he paid an adequate/generous amount after 6 months but less than all the bills so your DM was unhappy then he does seem to have acted reasonably. You might need to look at how much he paid (some NRP have an unrealistic opinion of how much is adequate).

For your DM to have stopped or frustrated contact appears unreasonable.

For him to say he didn't press for contact perhaps gets tricky. It can be a mares nest if the resident parents tries to make things difficult. Equally, some NRP parents don't appear to try hard enough. Only you can decide which side of the divide his actions fall and what judgement to make going forward.

Sorry their actions have adversely affected your MH.

Good luck.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 18/07/2019 18:33

You said that your dad paid direct to you when you were 16. How much did he pay?

HillRunner · 18/07/2019 18:33

He stopped paying maintenance because it wasn't being paid over to you?! Maintenance is to cover the extra costs of having a child. He was being very unreasonable.

And if he'd desperately wanted to see his kids he'd have made it happen, through court if necessary.

FilthyforFirth · 18/07/2019 18:36

Your DM sounds unreasonable here though I would be sad my DF didnt try harder for access. Keep going to therapy, will help in the long run.

BrienneofTarthILoveYou · 18/07/2019 18:38

They both sound unreasonable to me Op & pretty poor parents. Sorry you had such a shitty childhood. Hope you're able to work through it all with counselling.

Hidingwhoiam · 18/07/2019 18:41

OP I have name changed to tell you my story. It's very similar to yours.

My parents split when I was 18 months. I am now late 30s. What i know of the split comes from court papers, my aunts and conversations I over heard and things I remember.

Mum and dad split. Dad paid all the Bill's as his job housed him. They got divorced, dad have mum the house, which she sold and used to get a smaller hour mortgage free (lots if equity).

Mum would take us our when dad was meant to be coming and seeing us. Then he went to court and had organised visits. Except she told him that she would kill herself if he came and took us out. So we would come back and find her. Then she told him, she would kill us and herself if he came (she admitted this a few years ago during an argument).

She the broke into his home and smashed it up with me and dbro sat in the back garden. I remember sitting in the garden. She was sectioned and the released to the care of my grandparents. When she was 'better' we moved into the house she bought. She had lots of relationships with men and one more short marriage.

My dad was always whispered about but you could ask mum. She simply told us he he left us for someone else, but in more vulgar terms. Turns out that wasnt true either.

He always came to events like my first holy communion and things. I remember my mums family asking her and her telling them he was coming but she would only allow him to stand in the church balcony and wasnt to come near. I remember looking up wondering which man was my dad. She cut up all the photos of him and I didnt know what he look like.

Shortly after my first holy communion, he got in touch and again and asked her to see us. She allowed it. I now know she said he could see us, if he got back together with her only. So he did. He didnt feel court could help. She had been sectioned and they allowed us to go back with her. My grandparents used to pretend they lived with us. Looking back we should have been removed. She has serious mental health issues but will not acknowledge them. I grew up in a very troubled environment.

My mum and dad got back together and it was awful. I would be woken 2 or 3 times to her screaming and swearing at him about things that happened in their marriage the first time. I would call my grandparents to come and sort them out. Or go round and pick the doors, so dad couldnt leave.

I left home at 19 and loved in with my husband to be. Who was abusive and I was with him until I was 35. The relationship with mum has been up and down. I do get on with dad, but struggle to understand why I didnt see him for 10 years when he loves me as much as he appears. Exh raped me and my mum took his side. Dad, who now is more mum carer totally enables her to keep her calm. And wouldnt take sides at all. He wont leave her now as she is disabled and still mentally fragile.

I am now no contact with them and mum is exh housekeeper. She even baby sits, his new girlfriends kids.

She always told me my dad made her mentally ill. It wasnt, her father was an abusive drunk and she thought the sunshine out of his arse. That's why she is so ill

What I am saying is OP, you arent alone. It is confusing. You grow up with one story, then realise it's another. You are left drifting.

I believe my dad did all he could. This all started in the 80s. He even got back with her to see us as he couldnt see another way out.

I am very damaged and seeking counselling. I don't feel that I have ever been loved by anyone. I have tried to make contact with my dad, but mum monitors all his devices (phone, tablet) and the minute she knows I have been in touch she bombard me with abuse.

I have had good times with mum. But always on her terms. And she has admitted things when she is well.

But I dont think you or I will ever get the full story or know if our fathers did enough. But I do know the we have to keep moving forward. Counselling helps unravel our feelings about it. But its hard not knowing the whole story.

I am sorry you are going through this and it will get better. Flowers

MyShinyWhiteTeeth · 18/07/2019 18:41

I don't think you will ever be told the truth from either your mother or father.

They will both lie about each other to make themselves seem better people.

Opossooom · 18/07/2019 18:44

1990 was a very very different time for dads. Even early 2000 dads did not have the rights they do now (well they did, they were unjustly practiced). I’m sorry OP. I grew up without a father for all of my childhood. And when I finally met him, I realised why it was better without him though I longed for a father, and sometimes still do. At least you have him now. Though, that said it still hurts and well done for actually going to therapy.

BrokenWing · 18/07/2019 18:46

They both sound petty and poor parents, more interested in themselves that what was best for their children.

How many years did you not see your dad for? He should have went through the courts if he wanted to see you. Not going showed he didn't care enough to make the effort, regardless of what he says now, and I couldn't forgive him for that.

Your mothers behaviour blocking his access purely due to money is abhorrent.

stucknoue · 18/07/2019 18:48

Life was quite different then, it was almost acceptable that men would walk away and it was quite a fight to get access which many a man simply didn't push hard enough for. Maintenance was a pittance often too. It's hard, my h found all kinds of untruths when he reconciled with his dad, it's caused us issues because he can't cope with many ordinary ups and downs

Opossooom · 18/07/2019 18:48

Sorry to elaborate more I was meaning to put for dads in court. Today the court practices equal rights whereas back then it really wasn’t that straight forward though he could have tried his arse to do so I suppose. I’m sorry OP Lots of love for you x

AnAC12UCOinanOCG · 18/07/2019 18:48

Is this thread helpful to you? Will it really help your therapy to take a straw poll in aibu?

Teaandchocolatecake · 18/07/2019 18:54

Also, holiday clubs weren't as available then as they are now. My Mum had to reduce her hours to part time as there just wasn't enough holiday clubs around where we lived.

She went back full time a couple of years later when she managed to get a job in a school.

I doubt either of your parents will tell you the truth, they will only see their view of events and are likely to discredit the other regardless.

urbanlife · 18/07/2019 18:55

Op you can agonise over who is at fault but eventually I think it will need parking under the heading of: both my parents did their best under very trying circumstances.
Dad’s illness and he left, and yet he still paid for us and loved us from afar, and a mother who had mental health issues and I sense struggled to cope, but loved us too.
Yes it could have been handled better, yes they screwed up but ultimately they are still alive by the sounds of it, and you can enjoy the time you have with them now. It’s not too late to draw a line under the past.
Life is no fairytale, and as we go through life we realise what a battle it can be.
So forgiveness, some love and stopping the what ifs and replacing them with being fully present now, will help you no end.
Continue the therapy and try to release the pain. You are loved. It’s not perfect but what in life is?

Macaroni46 · 18/07/2019 18:55

I don't think he was unreasonable at all seeing as he gave up his share of the house. I agree with a pp who said men get a bad press on here.
I hope the counselling helps you work through the issues surrounding your childhood and that you can move forwards positively. It's not easy (I had a tricky childhood too) but with the right counsellor you can move on. Thanks

ReanimatedSGB · 18/07/2019 18:56

It sounds rather like both your parents put their own wishes ahead of yours, and were more interestsed in hating and blaming each other than trying to co-operate for their DC's sake. (Yes, I know perfectly well that some people are so toxic that it is impossible to co-parent with them and you have to do everything through third parties.)
I'm sorry, OP. TBH I think it's something you have to let go of, as it can't be changed.

Thingsdogetbetter · 18/07/2019 18:57

Also interested to know how many years there was no contact. You say he was a good father, but you didn't see him for years. He may have been good before he left, but he was absent for a time, which makes him a bad dad in my eyes. Has your mother confirmed he rang every week for years and that she refused mediation, or is that his narrative?

How much did he pay in maintenance? If your mother was skint while working and, I presume, claiming benefits, all on no mortgage, then either maintenance was bare minimum or your mother was overspending on something?

You may have glorified your father in his absence and vilified your mother. But it seems like both your parents let you down, and you have the right to be angry at BOTH of them. It's not one or the other.

GabsAlot · 18/07/2019 19:01

Sounds like they both didnt react well to it all although i agree with giving you money if you left school at 16 he woulnt have had to pay any anyway back then

ContactLight · 18/07/2019 19:12

What did your mother tell you was the reason the marriage broke up (what she's told you in recent years I mean, not the reason she gave you when you were a child)?

Does that match the reason given by your father?

mycatisblack · 18/07/2019 19:15

Change your counsellor as this one isn’t helping you at all.

You’ve made a huge assumption that your life would have been so much better had your DF been more involved in your life when you were younger.
Your romanticising the situation but you can’t know that for certain.

Surely it’s better to accept that the relationship between your mother and father was flawed and it wasn’t anything to do with you. You didn’t cause it and you couldn’t fix it.

You can only be defined by your past if you choose to be. You can choose to accept that it wasn’t a Fairy story family life (few are, my DF was an alcoholic) and live a good life regardless.

Personally, I have no truck with navel gazing counselling. My DSIL loves it and as a consequence hasn’t worked in thirty years.

I find that a very sad waste of a perfectly decent life.

because you now have a relationship with DF that you have missed out

category12 · 18/07/2019 19:16

Where do you think the maintenance money went if it wasn't spent on living expenses for the family?