To think that owning a second home to use as a holiday home is extremely selfish?

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It would be a different story if there was a surplus of vacant properties . As it stands holiday home owners turn communities into ghost towns, inflate prices in desirable areas (many of which are rural with low wages) and displace people who would live in the property full time.

Aibu to think this is selfish and reprehensible? Why are such people not villified for taking more than they need in such an extreme way?

Most people don't have to work all hours forever though, just for a while. No one could work at that pace forever without their health suffering.

Exactly!

I have to say that I understand why some people on NMW resigned and believe this is their life for ever. The number of people in here saying and massively defending the "There is no way out of it for them" is really surprising to me. If I kept hearing that all the time, I too would believe there is no way out🤷

But there is. Long and hard way, but it's there.

But there is. Long and hard way, but it's there.

I don't think anyone has denied that some people do progress from nmw jobs up the pay scale, but I do think a lot of posters here are very mistaken with how achievable this actually is for an average person.

I live in an area that in a recent study was found to have the lowest social mobility in the country, and by area I mean quite a large region of rural towns and villages. So for a young person starting out here their despair at the state of things is not just based on anecdotal judgements.

Also for a lot of people just moving isn't that easy. What is someone to do for example if they have a disabled relative who needs family help as adult social care services just don't exist?

Ginger It depends on who the black man is don't you think? I'm sure there would be lots of time and effort devoted to getting back Obama, Colin Powell, Jay Z, Idris Elba or Chukka Umana than there would in getting me back.

As the normal poilce in the UK aren't routinely armed, I wouldn't get shot there, and in Belgium, where I currently live, the police are armed, but whenever I see an armed policeman they are either checking to see that i live where I claim by visiting the house, or in the queue behind me at the frituur.

I don't think anyone has denied that some people do progress from nmw jobs up the pay scale, but I do think a lot of posters here are very mistaken with how achievable this actually is for an average person.

Even less achievable if they don't have the right attitude.

A school friend of mine left school with nothing and started on a YTS scheme at the local Chamber of Commerce, starting out doing filing, making tea, etc. She's now the CEO of the same Chamber of Commerce, always in the local paper at business awards ceremonies, etc and generally very well known and influential in the area. She didn't get there by accident, she spent the early years taking lots of courses, going the extra mile, getting noticed, and finally started to climb the ladder, ahead of her work colleagues who'd been to uni, etc.

The time to live in grotty but dirt cheap accommodation, and work all hours is when you start your career, and are child free. Put a few years under your belt, build your cv when you have the energy and can sleep all night!

Deciding that you want to start saving when you already have 3 kids, are renting a 4 bed with garden is a tad unrealistic. Just don't feel jealous of people who started low but have now completely bypassed your level.

Deciding that you want to start saving when you already have 3 kids, are renting a 4 bed with garden is a tad unrealistic. Just don't feel jealous of people who started low but have now completely bypassed your level.

I am not jealous. Rtft

Also I have neither three kids nor am renting a four bed house

You have to love how some posters must take every single comment personally

benadrylcucumberpatch

Sometimes it isn’t about progressing up the pay scale, it is about taking jobs that don’t have a mental load to them on Nmw where you can work as many hours as you can doing other jobs as well.

It is also the attitude of people.

I have lived in most parts of the country and found myself for a few months in what was deemed the worse place in the UK.

The general consensus was that you couldn’t get a job in the village so you were unemployed.

It was quite close to a major town and when I pointed out that there were jobs in the town I was looked at like I had 2 heads. Apparently it was unheard of to commute the 40 minutes by bus into the local town for work.

I might have been asking them to commute to Abu Dhabi each day.

*It was quite close to a major town and when I pointed out that there were jobs in the town I was looked at like I had 2 heads. Apparently it was unheard of to commute the 40 minutes by bus into the local town for work.

I might have been asking them to commute to Abu Dhabi each day.*

Perhaps there are reasons commuting on that bus route was impractical? Where I live commuting by bus to the nearest big town doesn't work for a 9am start, meaning it rules out most retail jobs. It is also £8.00 for a return, so an hour's pay each day going on travel.

Before driving I had a job that left 2 hours between finishing work and the bus home, which was fine in the summer but truly miserable in winter. I would spend the entire time Ill from spending so long in the cold. I would sometimes go in coffee shops or pubs but couldn't warrant spending money on drinks I didn't even want everyday just to have somewhere warm to wait .

So in short, are you sure that there were not other factors at play other than just being 'lazy'?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42170100

What do you say to the 800 million people who will lose their job to a robot by 2030? Eventually the jobless numbers will grow to such a high amount that there will be far too much population for the amount of work left to go around.

I know you guys all have your anecdotal stories and exceptions, but countries can't be run like that. We can't just say well I know a guy named Joe who started with nothing and now he's a millionaire! You have to go by statistics. Social mobility is only going to get harder as technology progresses unless we do something before there are masses of people with children sleeping rough because there's not enough to go around. Not enough social housing, not enough to rent a safe place, not enough housing full stop.

I agree about the refusal to commute. Dm's family come from a nondescript midlands town and on one occasion my granny was wringing her hands because a dil had a new job which was the other side of town and how difficult it was blah de blah. Meanwhile my df was commuting an hour every day into London and back. And my dh commutes two hours a day each way.

But back to the original OP - if every house were suddenly empty in Cornwall, and there was a house for every "local", where would they work? You can't turn back the clock. There is no fishing industry to speak of, well, not one that employs masses of villagers with the women filleting on the quayside. Even in days of yore people were out wrecking ships to earn a bit extra...

What do you say to the 800 million people who will lose their job to a robot by 2030?

Start retraining 🤷 We know it's coming, people should get ready.

Start retraining 🤷 We know it's coming, people should get ready.

Retrain for what jobs exactly? There won't be 800 million jobs waiting for people to go into

But I'm guessing you'll be retired by then do don't actually care.

There is literally no other thing to say though. No matter how harsh it sounds.
I do think government should up the adult education part though to enable people to retrain into jobs which will be available.

And eh. No. I won't be retired by 2030😮 By far not

Did you just assumed I am over 50😂😂😂

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retraining for what exactly?

Well for a start, robots don’t programme themselves....

There are also a myriad of jobs that clearly won’t be replaced by robots unless of course for example you don’t care about your DC or your elderly parents being looked after by a non human (in which case my dog has very reasonable rates!). So you could choose to diversify and set up a business of your own to offer an alternative to those who don’t buy into the mechanical/digital revolution, of which there are many.

Or...you could just not bother trying, say what’s the point and give up. Which seems to have been your MO on this thread 🙄

Alternatively, you could also think ahead and plan so that you’re financially robust in preparation, which is what we’re doing.

I assumed you were due to your lack of concern over the changes on the horizon.

What we need is radical political change before our current economic system comes crashing down.

Well that was a wrong link🙄 NVM

Someone will have to take care of the machines, programme them, repair them etc. Many jobs will disappear but plenty are still safe from automation.
It is a normal development. And every time new technology came, people worried about jobs. If you are worried about the people, push the government to invest into retraining. Now that would be something worthwhile

I assumed you were due to your lack of concern over the changes on the horizon.

I just go with the flow and don't get worked up on online forums much. 🤷

Perhaps there are reasons commuting on that bus route was impractical? Where I live commuting by bus to the nearest big town doesn't work for a 9am start, meaning it rules out most retail jobs. It is also £8.00 for a return, so an hour's pay each day going on travel

Excuse after excuse.

If it was so difficult to get to work then why not move for work.

Someone will have to take care of the machines, programme them, repair them etc. Many jobs will disappear but plenty are still safe from automation. It is a normal development. And every time new technology came, people worried about jobs. If you are worried about the people, push the government to invest into retraining. Now that would be something worthwhile

Lol I find it funny you think it's that easy for anyone to be an automation engineer with a specialty in robotics. I've worked in automation and there are so many companies jumping over each other to get automation engineers... The skillset is not something anyone can just "retrain" for, and if it were we would have far more people in engineering stem positions than we do. You need to be an inventor and it's never simple when you consider the algorithms. When's the last time you've coded an application in to existence?

Lol I find it funny you think it's that easy for anyone to be an automation engineer with a specialty in robotics.

Now where did I say it's easy

Are you telling me that there is no way to retrain to work around machines unless you know coding?

Meh. I shall be leaving this thread now. It's too many "buts" and "can'ts" and similar. And as a bonus I was told I am 50. 😂
I do really hope though that all you buts and can'ts people are not telling this to people who may just need a bit of point or push in a right direction and given a little cheer when they try to have better lives rather than just hear that that's how it is and they shall for ever and ever be on NMW and never ever buy a house.

It isn’t easy for someone to train as a doctor either but funnily enough people manage it. However, it takes hard work, tenacity and determination. Things that a lot of posters on this thread don’t seem to have.

Honestly, I really hope you aren’t passing on your negativity and sense of hopelessness to your DC.