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to think that people have no idea how to apply for jobs?!

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myteenytinyteapot · 17/07/2019 09:44

Just that really. Hiring for a senior admin person at the moment and have had hundreds of applications but honestly only about four shortlistable ones. I have had:

  • CVs which include full-length glamour model style photographs of applicants
  • CVs without cover letters when the advert clearly asks for a cover letter
  • CVs and cover letters riddled with spelling and grammatical errors
  • CVs which are 20 pages long and go into loads of detail about the hobbies and interests of the applicant. Also hardly anyone uses page numbers!
  • Cover letters which are obviously just generic copied and pasted mass send out jobs - "I am writing to apply for the position advertised". Couldn't even be arsed to put in the job title!
  • People applying who don't have any of the essential requirements listed

AIBU that I'm not surprised people can't get jobs if this is the general standard considered acceptable?!

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Kenny33 · 20/07/2019 11:14

My comments relate to the private sector, specifically services.

I’ve got no idea about the public sector.

TeenTimesTwo · 20/07/2019 12:09

I've a really basic question re cover letters.

Are cover letters meant to be:

A) an attached Word document
B) the main body of the email you are sending
C) something else

Flooopers · 20/07/2019 12:12

Send it as an attached Word or PDF doc. I get (very mildly) irritated when the cover letter is sent in the body of the email as it means I have to convert it into a doc myself.

TeenTimesTwo · 20/07/2019 12:14

So then the email is a cover for the cover letter?
Are you meant to put in any more than:

Please find attached my CV and Cover letter for X job?

or are you meant to include in the email why they should bother to open the attachments?

Basketofkittens · 20/07/2019 12:16

Out of interest - how many years of experience do you put on a CV? I have the past 10 years and have left out numerous temping/short term jobs of a month or two.

Flooopers · 20/07/2019 12:17

I always think the Hobbies and Interests section is a waste of time. As a colleague helping me screen CVs once said, ‘Does it really help to know a lot of people enjoy swimming, reading and cycling?’

I always read that section with interest.....if it is indeed interesting. 'Swimming, reading, and cycling' is a bit dull but if a person puts 'I enjoy outdoor lake swimming, reading Japanese crime novels, and am a founding member of a cycling group' it gives a flavour of a person's personality.

Flooopers · 20/07/2019 12:18

@TeenTimesTwo

Dear X,

Please find attached my CV and cover letter in support of my application for the role of X.

I look forward to hearing from you in due course.

Kind regards,
TeenTimesTwo

TeenTimesTwo · 20/07/2019 12:27

Floopers Thanks. (Asking for my DDs)

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 20/07/2019 12:29

Last time I had to send a cv and cover letter, I made a 3 page pdf which was my cover letter as page 1, with CV on 2 and 3.

All had a subtle footer with my name and "page x of y" in it so people could tie it all together if it got separated.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 20/07/2019 12:31

I always read that section with interest.....if it is indeed interesting. 'Swimming, reading, and cycling' is a bit dull but if a person puts 'I enjoy outdoor lake swimming, reading Japanese crime novels, and am a founding member of a cycling group' it gives a flavour of a person's personality.

Me too. It's a nice way to break the ice with a nervous interviewee as well, as they immediately relax a bit and start talking with enthusiasm.

NinjaInFluffyPJs · 20/07/2019 12:47

I always thought that hobbies and interests is there because it can tell you something about the person. Active, social, calm, etc.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 20/07/2019 13:30

As a recruiting person, I like to see a “hobbies and interests” section. It gives me an insight into them as an individual (rather than a series of buzzwords on a carefully crafted CV) as well as an ice-breaker if necessary.

As a job hunter, I noticed that very few employers even seemed to have read it, let alone mentioned it. The ones who did were the good employers, as they’re the ones interested in you as a person rather than as “just another employee”.

Rezie · 20/07/2019 13:36

‘Does it really help to know a lot of people enjoy swimming, reading and cycling?’
I Allways add something I've learned from the hobby. Like teamwork from basketball, leadership skills from guides etc.

WhenOneFacePalmDoesntCutIt · 20/07/2019 14:58

I love the "hobbies and interest" section, half are really boring but some people have done really amazing or bonkers stuff.

I tend to be drawn to the ones who are very active, motivated and committed - whilst you might think it would mean less commitment to their job, it has always shown people who get just as invested as work.

Allergictoironing · 20/07/2019 17:15

I've been both sides of the table many times.

For recruiting staff to work for my team, I think the worst was the person who stank the room out in 10 minutes with stale BO & had wax actually sticking out from his ears (office job). I couldn't cope with CVs or covering letters that used text spellings, likewise ones that had clearly used a spell checker but didn't check the context so the words may have been spelled right, but were the wrong words. And bearing in mind that this job involved authoring processes, exceptionally bad punctuation (not just talking about semi colons here, but random or missing commas & full stops).

Jobcentre was ridiculous, with rules clearly designed to force reluctant people into applying for jobs and no consideration for those really trying. The rule was x applications per day to be done while at the job club thing in the afternoons - which had crappy ancient PCs with ancient versions of software (Internet Explorer v6 anyone???). They were restricted in what sites you could visit, and didn't have access to half the job boards that dealt with my specialism. Also blocked access to many big national recruitment companies. At home I had a high range fully up to date PC.

I was once sanctioned for 6 months for not applying for a job that was 90 minutes commute away by public transport PLUS the walk at either end, paying NMW, with requirements I had no experience of. It took me 30 minutes once to persuade a job coach that the role "planner" means VERY different things in different industries, so as a project management planner I wasn't qualified to do electrical circuits planning. I had a row once when my job coach wanted me to apply for one job that was on one of their "permitted" job boards; that role was one (of many) that you could only access if you PAID the job board a fee to access their "premium" area - totally against Jobcentre rules.

I have 3 versions of my CV, which I tweak for different job applications. I do a covering letter for all jobs that ask for it. I have spent literally hours sometimes on on-line application forms that want every single role I've worked in since year dot - and as I'm late 50's and have done spells of contract work and temping, is virtually impossible.

I can no longer cope with the stress of my former more high powered jobs, and want a semi-interesting admin role. I have been turned down too many times to count for the assumption that as I'm over qualified I "will get bored & leave soon" - despite stating in interview that this is exactly what I want! I know in a lot of cases age discrimination plays a part, as apparently as soon as someone hits 40-45 they are just marking time until retirement - which is exactly the opposite view to the over qualified thing above.

Kenny33 · 20/07/2019 17:34

@allergic

Does ageism really kick in at 40-45? Most people are only about half way through their career at that age. I’ll be working until I’m late 60s.

Rezie · 20/07/2019 17:56

Does ageism really kick in at 40-45?
In usa the are discrimination kicks in at 40 in the employment act. While it's in the USA, it's probably a universal problem and they haven't just made up a number.

Allergictoironing · 20/07/2019 18:12

When I hit 50, I "lost" 10 years from the start of my CV and immediately got more than double the interest in it. Those lost 10 years were for the same employer as the next 5 years, in very similar roles, so the work itself wouldn't have made a difference.

I too will have to work until my late 60's, assuming various parts of my body don't pack in before that. I have more enthusiasm for any job I do than half the young people I meet, and certainly have a better work ethic than many. Doesn't mean that I'm not assumed to be "past it" now Sad

Kenny33 · 20/07/2019 18:21

I’m 40 and I had a career change, went back to University and did an MSc and professional qualification, when I was 36-38 (part time). Wondering if I should drop the first 3-5 years off my CV too, to make me look mid 30s. Those 3-5 years weren’t really relevant to what I do now.

avalanching · 20/07/2019 18:22

@Allergictoironing shocking.

Does the ageism thing apply to men as much do we think?

Allergictoironing · 20/07/2019 19:08

Probably not, the same way as the appearance thing isn't as bad for them as it is for women.

I had a very nice, very pretty, slim job coach who was probably about 40 once. She flatly refused to believe that there was any bias against plain or overweight women when it came to recruitment Hmm

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 20/07/2019 19:17

I think this happens for a few reasons. Firstly, how to apply for a job and expectations of managers changes over time so some of those applicants might just be out of date and need to go on a CV refresher course.

The other issue, which I've experienced myself, is that loads of people spend hours creating tailor-made CVs, covering letters and applications only to be ignored. Once you've been unemployed for a year and sent out tonnes of carefully written applications you start to feel disheartened and feel like you're wasting time and want to spend less time on the applications because it feels pointless.

On top of that, fewer jobs means more applicants per job = you getting lots of poorly written and irrelevant applications.

I think overall the application process needs to be made much easier and simpler for everyone. Just a 1-2 page CV, a cover letter and no application forms and a quick 'thanks for your application but you've not got enough experience' etc from the recruiter if the applicant is unsuccessful.

Rezie · 20/07/2019 20:01

From 23-40 you are a liability cause you might get pregnant and go off for years. Then from 40 onwards you are too old. There really isn't winning.

ToEarlyForDecorations · 20/07/2019 20:11

I was advised by a recruitment agency to only put the last 20 years employment history on my cv. I've done this and it hasn't done me any harm. I don't put my date of birth on my CV either. Again, it's done me no harm.

I accept they can figure it out. However, funny how wanting your date of birth has crept on to the ethnic and gender monitoring form should there be one.

NinjaInFluffyPJs · 20/07/2019 20:17

I put last 10 max😮