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AIBU?

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To not give up two of my BOOKED train seats?

81 replies

RobynsMama · 14/07/2019 21:33

I got on an absolutely packed train today with my DD (2 and a half) and my nephews (7&8). I do this journey a fair bit, it’s long, pushing on 6 hours when the service is inevitably delayed and always always heaving at the weekend with people getting on with those open return tickets (you can’t book seats for those afaik).

I’d booked four seats as I was travelling with three kids, my DD would have been free but she’s the most independent, fussy madam atm and I just know it’d have been absolute murder getting her to sit on my lap for 5+ hours so I bought her a child ticket along with mine and DN’s so she’d have her own seat.

I’m taking the boys down to stay at my mum’s so we had a fair bit of luggage, and the buggy but if booked near a luggage rack for ease. I didn’t get a table seat like I usually request, instead two seats of seats one directly behind the other. This is fine bc I’m able to see the boys and they’re generally good kids anyway and they had plenty to occupy themselves with.

So we get on and it’s already busy but we’re all settled, all three kids currently watching screens of some sort (it keeps them the quietest on the trainHalo) and I’m indulging myself catching up on Killing Eve. Anout half way through the journey it’s really really busy, everyone’s in reserves seats and there’s a couple of people standing in the end bits and I assume it’s the same on the rest of the train.

Anyway I see two ladies get on, one is visibly older and has a stick. They walk down the whole length of the carriage and no one is (rightly I guess if they’ve booked them) offering a seat for this lady. My DD is actually being remarkably well behaved at this and I decided we could do the rest of the journey with her sat on my lap. I moved up to the window and got their attention and offered the aisle seat for the lady to sit down.

This gets met with a bit of a grunt, not even a thank you and I’m a bit Hmm but I’m not a fan of drama so I just ignore the rudeness of this and the lady sits down. The other woman just stands in the aisle next to our seats.

When it becomes apparent that the kids in front are “mine” they’ve been turning round periodically to chat to me, the old woman leans over to me and asks if I can move and share the seats with the boys so her daughter could sit down as well.

I honestly was speechless for a moment for the CF of it all and wondered if I had heard correctly. I apologised and was very polite and explained that no, I had already given up one seat for her and I didn’t want to spend the next two hours squeezed next to two kids with a toddler on my lap!

Woman’s daughter pointed at my DD and piped up with “she travels for free anyway” to which I swiftly told her that I had in fact purchased tickets for all four seats and made the reservations as I knew I’d need them and maybe they would learn to book reservations in the future (I was being a bit sarcastic at this point but honestly I was so taken aback with how cheeky it was).

She said “we couldn’t reserve with these tickets” and I replied “that’s not really my problem”.

Anyway I did not move and for the rest of the journey they both shot daggers at me and my DD every time she laughed or made any kind of normal toddler noise. I’d have kicked the woman back out of the other seat but my conscience wouldn’t allow me to because she’d have had to stand for two and a half hours but really?? I’ve never ever come across this type of thing before at all.

AIBU or should they have just been grateful that I even gave up a booked seat that I had paid for in the first place without expecting even more from me???

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Neome · 14/07/2019 21:36

No good deed goes unpunished

Wonkydonkey44 · 14/07/2019 21:36

She was bang out of order ! No way I’d have given up my pre booked seat to the daughter!

glenthebattleostrich · 14/07/2019 21:37

With their attitude is have been encouraging DD to be as wiggly and annoying as possible.

I get trains lots with my mindees and some people have such an awful attitude to children daring to be outside in public.

PeoniesarePink · 14/07/2019 21:38

I gave up a seat on a packed train for an older lady and didn't even get a thank you. I had a bad back at the time and stood on a juddering train for nearly 90 minutes. I was in agony for the rest of the day. And furious!

I wouldn't do it again. Lesson learned.

They were very rude given your generosity.

babysharkah · 14/07/2019 21:39

You pre booked. End of.

CF.

ChaosMoon · 14/07/2019 21:39

This is so clear cut it's ridiculous. My only comment is about Mumsnet maths telling me that 107% of people have voted YANBU 😂

Chickychoccyegg · 14/07/2019 21:39

yanbu, you were already kind giving up one seat, no way should you have given up another.

Herocomplex · 14/07/2019 21:41

You were kind, she was selfish. Stressful enough doing that journey and you’d done your prep. Have a nice hol!

MissCharleyP · 14/07/2019 21:41

You can book seats with any ticket. Reservations are required for advance purchase tickets and you must travel on the stipulated train. Other types of ticket do not require reservations but anyone can make one, if they choose to get a different train then obviously you lose the reservation. In summary, she could have booked a seat (as long as it was done by 1800 the night before and there were still seats available to be reserved) and YWNBU.

Tonks101 · 14/07/2019 21:41

People are rude! No one else in the carriage offered, did she take it up with anyone else? Didnt think so!

Applejack5 · 14/07/2019 21:41

They were unreasonable, not you. How rude when you'd already given up a seat! Nobody would squeeze into two seats with three children for a long journey either (or even a short one for that matter!).

Cheeserton · 14/07/2019 21:42

Sod the daughter, but prebooked or not I wouldn't say it's OK to make the elderly stand (in principle, I know you didn't here, but you suggested it in general).

NoHummus · 14/07/2019 21:42

YANBU! You were very kind to move your DD onto your knee so the older lady could sit down. Presumably her daughter could have gone along the rest of the train to look for a free seat if she was that bothered about sitting down.

Loveislandaddict · 14/07/2019 21:43

Didn’t the train have a Priority Seat (not sure official title) which she could have sat on?

RobynsMama · 14/07/2019 21:44

MissCharleyP

I didn’t know that! I always like the pre book especially with the little ones but this is good to know if I’m ever going on my own and an open return is cheaper!

Tonks101 everyone else had headphones in and laptops out, idk maybe I was just an easy target because I’d already been nice 🤷🏻‍♀️

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ZenNudist · 14/07/2019 21:46

You were right to give a seay to rude old lady but her daughter doesn't deserve one. If she was going to be so rude I'd want to tell her she is welcome to go and look elsewhere for 2 seats so that you don't have to sit with a toddler on ypjr lap.

RobynsMama · 14/07/2019 21:46

Cheeserton I wouldn’t generally make an older person stand when I could’ve moved a child, it was just their general attitude made me salty enough to consider it.

Loveislandaddict there are priority seats but those were all taken (I presume with people with reservation)

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purplecorkheart · 14/07/2019 21:48

My parents both have free travel on trains (Ireland based) but always paid extra to reserve a seat. Equally I buy and reserve tickets for myself. I find many older people chose not to pay thr couple of euro extra to reserve a seat and expected someone who has paid to get up for them. These are people who huff up and down the carriage and stand next to people seated glaring at them expecting them to give up their seats.

transformandriseup · 14/07/2019 21:48

You may have been in the pregnant/disabled seats if near the luggage rack and I think you were right to let the elderly lady have a seat even if you had reserved yours. The daughter? Her mother was taking this piss thinking 4 people should squeeze into 2 seats because they hadn’t reserved. Some people have a funny attitude towards children.

RobynsMama · 14/07/2019 21:51

PeoniesarePink you were really kind and I’m sorry you had a horrible journey as a result of that kindness. Saying thank you doesn’t cost the earth.

Glenthebattleostrich
I find some people are really intolerant of kids in public spaces, especially on public transport. When DD was wee I got used to just taking her out in the sling because navigating buses with her pram was to stressful.

Herocomplex thank you! I’m only staying for a couple of weeks but mum’s having the boys til they go back to school, they love it!

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RobynsMama · 14/07/2019 21:52

days not weeks. Oh how I wish I was going back to my mum’s home cooking for a couple of weeks!

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Sunflower20 · 14/07/2019 21:52

I feel like I'm watching towie right now

Sunflower20 · 14/07/2019 21:55

SO awkward

Sunflower20 · 14/07/2019 21:57

Oh god I'm sorry I thought I posted on the love island thread!!
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...by the way YANBU and it was nice of you to give up a seat for the CFs.

sugarsprinklesrainbowdrops · 14/07/2019 21:57

Angry that's ridiculous. You definitely shouldn't have moved for the daughter. Public transport brings out a funny side of people.

A lady got on a train recently where I was sat in the seat closest to the door (I'm very pregnant) and have bad SPD which has me on crutches most of the time. She said "I need your seat" and stood over me waiting for me to get up. I looked up and noticed she was pregnant. I started getting up because I was taken aback and then said "sorry, I'm pregnant too and don't feel up to standing for the whole journey so I really need my seat". She stood over me tutting and sighing and didn't ask anyone else for a seat until someone offered her one which she took but made a remark about me not giving up my seat for her!

Another time, I was on the bus back home having just had my appendix out and an elderly man got on the bus. He asked me for my seat and I explained I'd just had surgery & wasn't feeling great so I'd really appreciate if he could ask someone else. He shouted at me and screamed down the bus that I'd refused to give up my seat. I felt so embarrassed that I then stood up to let him sit down and he shouted "I'd offer to let you sit on my knee but you'd crush me" and started cackling (I was a size 6 at the time not that it's an acceptable thing to say to someone of any size)Envy

Sometimes it's so surreal, it's hard to think up a comeback or a response until later when you think of something witty and wish you'd said it.