Scout Pride Parade -to not allow ds to go

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My 10 year old boy scout has had a lot of pressure on him to join in a scout Pride Parade (ie a float in the main LBGQT+ Parade) and I've told him we are busy that weekend but he has had a lot of questions at scouts and I have just had an email asking why he isn't going.

AIBU to think this isn't a place for children, I've been to several Prides (and had a bloody good time) but all have been alcohol fuelled and adult orientated, I would have no problem if we were just watching as could get away if needed but by being in the parade and the field at the end they will. we unable to get away and there for four hours.
I completely support Pride and a person's right to love and be whoever they want, and they have been to my cousins gay wedding but I don't feel comfortable sending them to an adults carnival.

Nope nope nope. I fully support LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 rights.

But, this event seems to be very adult, far too much stuff going on that isn’t suitable for kids.

I’m open minded and would probably enjoy it myself. But at the same token, I wouldn’t take my Daughter to most music festivals. I’d happily take her to a same sex wedding, and she has friends with same sex parents, and we have gay family and friends so doesn’t see anything being wrong with being gay. She sees it as just another family set up. But she doesn’t need to go to this type of event

Lesbian here. Not a hope in hell would I take a child to pride! Not even going myself anymore as it seems we’re no longer welcome. Depending on which pride it is I also happen to know protests are planned and if history repeats itself there’s likely to be police presence manhandling women peacefully protesting because mermaids don’t like the truth.

I don't understand why they've emailed you to find out why he's not going. They don't need to know why, just that he's not.

Why are they demanding an explanation? You’ve told them you’re busy - end of.

“As I’ve told you before, we are busy that day so x won’t be attending”

Pride' is no longerproud.Itis just a parade for certain people to show off their fetishes in broad daylight

This and it's a shame. All safeguarding seems to go out of the window as soon as LGBTQK is mentioned.

Years ago I'd happily take my kids to Pride. We danced along and blew our whistles. It was a fun celebration. Not any more sadly.

You just sound small minded to me.

Yeah all these narrow minded parents who support gay rights and don’t want their children attending parades with some very adult content. Unbelievable!

The stereotyping in this thread is absolutely disgraceful and ridiculous.

People are describing their own experiences at these events and going by first hand accounts and photos. You sound like you have a different idea about the boundaries of kink and fetish etc in relation to kids to most people on this thread, if you really have been to all those events you list.

@Miljah I googled the Sydney Mardi Gras and see that there's pressure to remove 'Gay and Lesbian' from the title, as it's not inclusive.

gayexpress.co.nz/2019/04/sydney-mardi-gras-considering-dropping-gay-and-lesbian/

Dr Jo Harrison sounds like she takes no prisoners

I went to Lancaster pride with my daughter, who's 16. She wanted to go to support her close friends who have just come out as a lesbian couple. In the main it was fine, nice family atmosphere and fun. However, there was a massive massive element of kink and fetish and kids do not need to be involved in that. To me, and I might be getting it totally wrong, Pride used to be about visibility for LGB people. To show that it's normal and it's fine to see that Aunt Tracey and Aunt Sue are as much of a loving couple as Uncle Bob and Aunt Tina. Now, it's a men's sexuality fest. That doesn't need involvement from kids.

"I googled the Sydney Mardi Gras and see that there's pressure to remove 'Gay and Lesbian' from the title, as it's not inclusive."

That's because the LGBTQ lot operator on a totem pole of oppression, being gay or lesbian is last decade now and bottom of the pole. The new special snowflakes are some sort of pansexual, furry, pizza crust or something and will throw the gays under the bus.

This cycle will continue with the disabled kin turning on the trans in early 2023.

And I'm not stereotyping, I've gone for years in support of my late brother and his partner, and my friends. The erosion of appropriate boundaries (particularly around children) is being pushed forward because objectors are called homophobes and bigots.

It's turned into a massive male wank in public I'm afraid.

I joined the parade some years ago with some gay friends and it was great. From what I've been told and read about recently I wouldn't go now and YANBU OP.

I would e-mail back what part of 'we are busy that weekend' do you not understand, with any further e-mails from them ignored.

I have gay relatives OP , love them , it makes not one iota to me if they are gay or straight , they are happy and that is what matters .

They are adults though . In my opinion, like my vote, YANBU OP

It’s odd because when I was younger, gay men were sometimes thought of as perverts and surely this fetish thing is feeding into that harmful idea?
I also went to “gay pride” as it was then called in the 90s when it was a bit daring and there was still a fair bit of hostility towards gay people. I had a friend who was gay and he had previously been gay bashed; he was quite “out there”. So they were pretty brave to go.

From what I've seen I wouldn't dream of taking children. It's become a celebration of male sexuality, kink and fetish. Some of what's being celebrated shouldn't be shown in public let alone to kids.

I don't care to have me and mine turned into props to add to the sexual excitement of exhibitionists.

But for me the appalling treatment of lesbians has ended any chance of me ever going.

Female homosexuals are being banned and threatened at Pride for being female homosexuals.

That's unforgivable. I find it hard to even type it. And those doing it think of themselves as progressive, FFS.

standpointmag.co.uk/issues/july-august-2019/who-is-pride-for/

I really feel for lesbians (real ones not men with penises wanting to shag women whilst thinking of them self as a woman), the community in which they have historically been given shelter has turned against them.

These events are not really fit to be in public, let alone funded by the tax payer. Some people have been very clever in getting public funding and pulling in men women and children into (as a pp described it) to watch a public wankfest. The cleverest bit... you can’t say anything about it without being branded homophobic.

I don't understand why they want 10 year old children on the float. I would have thought it would be for older Scouts who are gay or lesbian themselves?

It’s for adults to have fun ! Not for kids
I hate crowds , find them scary
Not for me either

Bigwide which parade is it at?
I’m attending the one in London (I’m a scout leader and going to support my fellow scout leaders) and under 16’s are not allowed to take part in that parade. 16-18’s are required to be accompanied by an over 18 (adult).

I also wouldn’t let my scout DS attend. He would absolutely love to go but he’s not old enough yet I feel! And the leaders should not be pressuring the scouts to go. If your unhappy with the scout leader pressuring them you can speak to the GSL or even the Scouts ADC or your district.

You don't need to give a reason. 'As explained previously, ds is unavailable'.

It's turned into a massive male wank in public I'm afraid.

Yup

No narrow mindedness from me. I’m bi, and do love a bit of consensual kink in an appropriate setting. But not in front of the kids FGS

No YANBU. Our scout groups does various parades and people are sent reminders that the parade is on, but never any more, no pressure and certainly never questioning why someone isnt going! None of their damn business.

And there is no way any of my dc's would be going on a pride parade. If that makes me small minded than ..whatever...

"My DS1 is gay and has gone to several marches but doesn’t go now. It’s too ‘out there’ for him as a gay man who doesn’t feel the need to advertise his sexuality."
I don't understand why anyone has to bring attention to their sexuality. Why do we need to know if someone is hetero, gay, bi etc?

Surely most heterosexual people don't advertise their sexual orientation, so why do others who aren't heterosexal do this?

Surely equality will only be achieved when you don't bring attention to your sexual orientation because there is no need to?

From the publicity surrounding pride marches you'd be forgiven for thinking heterosexuality was in the minority in the UK.