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Neighbour and fence complaint...AIBU to tell her to sod off?

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YadiYadiYada · 23/06/2019 20:02

Ok, I didn't actually use the words "sod off", but more politely & calmly said "sorry, but no..."

Story about the long post but don't want to dripfeed:

Bought our house several months ago. We're FTB's and bought a doer-upper. It's just your average small 3-bed semi, but lots of work to be done, including a shit-hole of a garden. It was a former rental property and previous tenants hadn't looked after it.

We saved up hard over 9 months to get the garden completely overhauled as it really needed just digging up and starting from scratch. This included very old rickety fencing. Our neighbour owns one side of the boundary between us, however she's unemployed, lives alone and says she's unable to afford to have her side of the fencing replaced.

We understand her situation but didn't want to spend thousands on a new garden for one side to still be unstable and unattractive, so we went round and offered to pay for her side to be done. And done better than originally with concrete posts and gravel boards to ensure it was more structurally sound. The only catch was that as we were paying we would like to have the 'nice side' of the fencing facing into our garden. She accepted gleefully and laughed with "well if you're fucking paying for it, whatever!"

Our neighbour is an alcoholic btw. Not judging, I like a tipple myself. But it's a fact, and relevant. She goes through phases of going dry for a few weeks and then falling massively off the wagon and going through several weeks of bingeing and causing mayhem to all and sundry.

She's well-known to emergency services for being a nuisance who abuses 999. Her mother has all but disowned her and her daughter has gone completely NC. She often calls the kids playing out on the street "fucking little bastards!" for no reason. She's on tag for assaulting a police officer and she's been disqualified from driving as she ran someone over when under the influence. She's turned up on our doorstep in drunken stupors more than once, including xmas eve when we were doing the whole santa thing for our 6 yr old.

Due to her unpredictability though, we're always civil with her, always say a friendly "hi" if we see her, still have a friendly chat now and then, take her bins out for her on bin day & put them back, walk her back to her own house when she turns up drunk and make sure she's back in safely. We've never been anything but nice.

Our original discussion, where we offered to pay for the fencing, was specifically timed when she was dry and sober, to ensure she was totally compos mentis and she understood us. And prior to the work beginning we went round another two times to check she was still ok with it, reiterated what work was being done and reminded her of the date the work was starting. No probs, she was still ok and happy with it. Couldn't wait to have a nice new fence.

The new fencing has gone up and was completed yesterday. Done brilliantly - very sturdy, secure, straight, neat and looks good. A damn sight better than the one it's replaced by a longshot!

Neighbour came round today all aggressive & confrontational, wreaking of booze completely off her face shouting and balling "come and have a look at what your fucking builders have done in my garden, it's a fucking disgrace! I ain't fucking having it!!!"

She's clearly fallen off the wagon again and is now pissed off that we have the nice side of the fence.

"That's my side ffs, I should have the nice side of the fucking fence!" she's screeching. "AAAND! they've fucked up my gate, it don't fucking shut now, look at it!" while wrenching it back & forth and slamming it against the frame.

The gate has been 'fucked' for a while. She told us so herself that it's been like it for years when we chatted to her about the work we planned. She even showed us how it wouldn't shut. And over the months of living here we've seen her struggling and faffing with it. Ours was exactly the same because it hasn't been built properly as a whole structure by the original housing developers. It's just cheap B&Q stuff. We agreed that ours was just as crap, and was why we wanted to replace everything.

We managed to diffuse her angry episode with calm gentle talking and reminding her we had discussed this with her several times already, that it's far better than it was and that she had agreed because we paid for the lot and hadn't asked her for a penny. By the time we left she was laughing with us and being overly and uncomfortably affectionate, then waving us off cheerily. But we ignored the gate comment.

However, as we were walking away and just entering our own house she went to close her gate she shouted again and turned in an instant with "see, my fucking gate won't fucking shut now because of your fucking cowboy builders!" and started slamming it again.

We just went in.

I said to DH to just ask the fencing guys to sort her gate out, at our expense, just to shut her up. But DH says no out of principle. She's obviously a drunk CFer who's also trying to get a free gate as well as fencing. If we agree to the gates as well she's going to try to get more out of us.

But I'm worried if we don't she'll start causing trouble, kicking off at the builders who are still doing other landscaping work over the next few days and potentially calling out the police because she doesn't have "the fucking nice side!" of the fence (that we've paid for!)

Where do we stand legally if she causes a fuss? Will we have to give her the nice side at our expense if she decides to pursue it? I'm stressing now...

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NavyBerry · 24/06/2019 11:25

Smb might have asked already. Do you have any pictures (before/after). I would keep them for future reference. Also any neighbours around to witness the state of the old fence? I wouldn't be too concerned but good to have some evidence.

mrsw2 · 24/06/2019 11:30

Is her house rented ? Can you speak to her landlord ?

Bluntness100 · 24/06/2019 11:38

Really stop stressing about this.

There are no laws about what side goes where, just old fashioned etiquette as a pp said.

Secondly she's just drunk and causing trouble. You know this. Ignore. If the gate was broken before then leave it. If it's not much for thr builders to do and will cost next to nothing, then fix it, but she will still go on, because it's not about the fence or thr gate, she's just drunk and belligerent. There is no win for you here.

DugHug · 24/06/2019 11:42

Why did you take down the existing fence? You should have just left it and put your new fence alongside it.

Knittedfairies · 24/06/2019 11:50

Surely if your new fence is entirely on your own plot, it's nothing to do with her? She could always put up her own fence, so she has the nicer side. That would be daft, but there's nothing stopping her.

PinkSpring · 24/06/2019 12:13

Whoever pays for it gets the nice side. She is just trying it on to get the gate replaced.

Ignore her, there is obviously no reasoning/dealing with her when she is drinking.

When we changed one side of our fence, we got the good side as we paid for it all!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/06/2019 13:56

if the new fence is entirely on your land, it has nothing to do with her

Exactly - OP/DH paid for it and it's on their land, so it's theirs. FWIW I'd also have put it up next to the neighbour's broken one, but if she's as incompetent as all that it hardly seems to matter

BTW, yadi, I hope the new fence is the full 6ft high? I don't think you're allowed to make it any higher than that, but you could always add a bit of trellis to the top ...

YadiYadiYada · 24/06/2019 14:17

Her poor dog - when she's drunk who looks after it ?
Her. And not very well. It's a very old little terrier and more or less blind now. She has been reported to the RSPCA though. It wasn't us who reported her, but she came round pissed up one day shouting "was it you who rang the RAC on me, it fucking was wasn't it!" We were a bit Confused thinking, why the frig would we send the RAC out to her. She hasn't even got a car?! Turns out she meant the RSPCA!

Do you have any contact details of relatives of your NDN?
No, unfortunately. We try not to get too involved in her affairs, for obvious reasons. And she rarely gets any visitors.

Do you have any pictures (before/after)
Yes, we do. Good point, will save them.

Is her house rented ? Can you speak to her landlord ?
From previous conversations with her I'm led to believe her house was purchased via a shared ownership scheme. However, I can't understand how an unemployed single alcoholic in her 50s managed to secure shared ownership. She has said she's from a wealthy farming family though, was brought up with the best of everything, had her own thorough bred horse etc. So I have a feeling it may possibly have been purchased for her by her mother? I don't know for sure though.

Why did you take down the existing fence? You should have just left it and put your new fence alongside it.
Because it was dangerous. Another storm or two and the thing was destined to topple. We thought we were doing a nice thing, to just get rid of it and replace with something that is both safe and looks nice.

However, if she'd objected that's what we would've done. But she was as keen as us to get shot of it. As I say, she gleefully accepted our offer.

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Woody68 · 25/06/2019 21:13

Yeah trouble is have you any proof she said you could get rid of the old fence. If she is an alcoholic does she even remember agreeing?

YadiYadiYada · 26/06/2019 08:27

We've already established we didn't get anything in writing so no proof. Decided against it incase she said we'd coerced and forced her under duress.

She was sober and dry when we discussed the work we were doing. She still remembers this discussion, to a degree, as she complained she was expecting the nice side.

So far she's done nothing except cone out and give our builders a flurry of slurred verbal abuse, but they've just ignored her. As she didn't get any attention or reaction from them she decided to call out an ambulance unnecessarily again insteadm

Builders are now done, work is complete.

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