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Neighbour and fence complaint...AIBU to tell her to sod off?

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YadiYadiYada · 23/06/2019 20:02

Ok, I didn't actually use the words "sod off", but more politely & calmly said "sorry, but no..."

Story about the long post but don't want to dripfeed:

Bought our house several months ago. We're FTB's and bought a doer-upper. It's just your average small 3-bed semi, but lots of work to be done, including a shit-hole of a garden. It was a former rental property and previous tenants hadn't looked after it.

We saved up hard over 9 months to get the garden completely overhauled as it really needed just digging up and starting from scratch. This included very old rickety fencing. Our neighbour owns one side of the boundary between us, however she's unemployed, lives alone and says she's unable to afford to have her side of the fencing replaced.

We understand her situation but didn't want to spend thousands on a new garden for one side to still be unstable and unattractive, so we went round and offered to pay for her side to be done. And done better than originally with concrete posts and gravel boards to ensure it was more structurally sound. The only catch was that as we were paying we would like to have the 'nice side' of the fencing facing into our garden. She accepted gleefully and laughed with "well if you're fucking paying for it, whatever!"

Our neighbour is an alcoholic btw. Not judging, I like a tipple myself. But it's a fact, and relevant. She goes through phases of going dry for a few weeks and then falling massively off the wagon and going through several weeks of bingeing and causing mayhem to all and sundry.

She's well-known to emergency services for being a nuisance who abuses 999. Her mother has all but disowned her and her daughter has gone completely NC. She often calls the kids playing out on the street "fucking little bastards!" for no reason. She's on tag for assaulting a police officer and she's been disqualified from driving as she ran someone over when under the influence. She's turned up on our doorstep in drunken stupors more than once, including xmas eve when we were doing the whole santa thing for our 6 yr old.

Due to her unpredictability though, we're always civil with her, always say a friendly "hi" if we see her, still have a friendly chat now and then, take her bins out for her on bin day & put them back, walk her back to her own house when she turns up drunk and make sure she's back in safely. We've never been anything but nice.

Our original discussion, where we offered to pay for the fencing, was specifically timed when she was dry and sober, to ensure she was totally compos mentis and she understood us. And prior to the work beginning we went round another two times to check she was still ok with it, reiterated what work was being done and reminded her of the date the work was starting. No probs, she was still ok and happy with it. Couldn't wait to have a nice new fence.

The new fencing has gone up and was completed yesterday. Done brilliantly - very sturdy, secure, straight, neat and looks good. A damn sight better than the one it's replaced by a longshot!

Neighbour came round today all aggressive & confrontational, wreaking of booze completely off her face shouting and balling "come and have a look at what your fucking builders have done in my garden, it's a fucking disgrace! I ain't fucking having it!!!"

She's clearly fallen off the wagon again and is now pissed off that we have the nice side of the fence.

"That's my side ffs, I should have the nice side of the fucking fence!" she's screeching. "AAAND! they've fucked up my gate, it don't fucking shut now, look at it!" while wrenching it back & forth and slamming it against the frame.

The gate has been 'fucked' for a while. She told us so herself that it's been like it for years when we chatted to her about the work we planned. She even showed us how it wouldn't shut. And over the months of living here we've seen her struggling and faffing with it. Ours was exactly the same because it hasn't been built properly as a whole structure by the original housing developers. It's just cheap B&Q stuff. We agreed that ours was just as crap, and was why we wanted to replace everything.

We managed to diffuse her angry episode with calm gentle talking and reminding her we had discussed this with her several times already, that it's far better than it was and that she had agreed because we paid for the lot and hadn't asked her for a penny. By the time we left she was laughing with us and being overly and uncomfortably affectionate, then waving us off cheerily. But we ignored the gate comment.

However, as we were walking away and just entering our own house she went to close her gate she shouted again and turned in an instant with "see, my fucking gate won't fucking shut now because of your fucking cowboy builders!" and started slamming it again.

We just went in.

I said to DH to just ask the fencing guys to sort her gate out, at our expense, just to shut her up. But DH says no out of principle. She's obviously a drunk CFer who's also trying to get a free gate as well as fencing. If we agree to the gates as well she's going to try to get more out of us.

But I'm worried if we don't she'll start causing trouble, kicking off at the builders who are still doing other landscaping work over the next few days and potentially calling out the police because she doesn't have "the fucking nice side!" of the fence (that we've paid for!)

Where do we stand legally if she causes a fuss? Will we have to give her the nice side at our expense if she decides to pursue it? I'm stressing now...

OP posts:
piggybrownhare · 23/06/2019 21:55

We have experiedced exactly the same. We paid for shit fence to be replaced, was all crooked, cracked fence post etc, replaced with perfect straight fence. This resulted in her gate having a gap in, as the fence and fence post was now straight and fence post not cracked and leaning anymore. We couldn’t believe the cheek of her! Especially as her feral kids had broken it in the first place by constantly climbing on it! People are rude and will try it on. I would just ignore her and she will get bored eventually and forget about it!

buttertoasty · 23/06/2019 21:59

I would take no notice as she is in a drunken stupor where she will remain for the foreseeable. She won't have the capacity to "take things further" when she is in this state, and when she does sober up she will have even forgotten about it or be so embarrassed she will never mention it again.

OliviaBenson · 23/06/2019 22:06

Poor dog ☹️

miaCara · 23/06/2019 22:19

Ah you sound like a nice person OP. But its your niceness that has got you into this mess. You could have just told your neighbour that the fence was being replaced, gave her the option of having her side done and not mentioned which 'side' of the fence she would have . I really doubt that she would have any complaint with the finished product beyond the normal complaints that drunks always seem to have.
You have given her a stick to beat you with and now even if you remedy it with a signed agreement with her she wont acknowledge it .
You have done absolutely nothing wrong and are good neighbours.Try to rise above the rantings and petty annoyances from your neighbour. You wont cure her and Im sure there are lots of outside agencies who are keeping tabs on her. Maybe have a word with the local pcso on a friendly basis just in case she escalated matters.
But remember - you have done nothing wrong .

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/06/2019 22:38

I'm concerned she'll just turn into one of those nasty nightmare neighbours that go out of their way to make us miserable

Thing is, you can't run your whole lives on trying to keep her happy; if she was appeased over the fence it would soon be something else

You might as well start as you mean to go on, and for me that would mean having much less to do with her. It can't be pleasant having a drunk like this round at yours anyway, and will be a whole lot worse if you have kids

No need for rudeness, just a friendly "hi" and then "sorry, bit busy today" if she starts ... and maybe less answering the door to her, or "lovely to see you but can't stop - can I catch you tomorrow?" kind of thing

Stefoscope · 23/06/2019 23:10

The Police won't care and it doesn't sound like she has her shit together long enough to seek legal advice. I would do nothing, if you pay to have her gate fixed, no doubt there will be another issue before too long.

restingbitchfarce · 23/06/2019 23:47

I would have built the fence on your property next to her one in a poor state personally

DollyPomPoms · 23/06/2019 23:52

Property Lawyer here. If it is her boundary the ‘nice’ side of the fence should be facing you regardless of who paid for it. You have done nothing wrong.

Isatis · 24/06/2019 00:55

Passthecherrycoke, you would use the written evidence in the event that she tried to take her complaints further. As matters stand, OP has no evidence of what the neighbour agreed to.

HappyLoneParentDay · 24/06/2019 01:09

@Cherrysoup Shock I like your assumption that OP's alcoholic neighbour rents her house and from a housing association! Just because she's an alcoholic!? RTFT! OP quote clearly states she owns the property.

Stop being so stereotypical. I'm astounded

PregnantSea · 24/06/2019 04:14

Stop being so friendly with her, it is making this situation worse. When she goes on her drunken rampages just tell her to leave you and your property alone and then call the police if she doesn't. Repeat as necessary.

Woody68 · 24/06/2019 04:48

The boundary fence wasn't yours to replace though. No part of your new fence should stand on her property.

BlackCatSleeping · 24/06/2019 05:10

I'm pretty sure there is no law regarding nice or not nice side of the fence.

As someone said, you can't reason with crazy. Just ignore her and leave it. Whatever you do, she'll be pissed off.

YadiYadiYada · 24/06/2019 05:47

The boundary fence wasn't yours to replace though. No part of your new fence should stand on her property.

We know, but she couldn't afford to. So we offered to at our own cost. Mainly because structurally it was unsafe. We have a 6 year old who's desperate to enjoy the new garden when its finished. She agreed. It's not like we just did it without discussing it with her first

The fence is also slightly further into our own garden now to ensure none of the concrete posts take up any of her land. She even laughed yesterday, once she'd calmed down, that she now has a bigger garden.

If I was in her situation, ie. single and couldn't afford to do it myself (which I have been, once upon a time). I'd be over the moon with what we've done.

OP posts:
rosedream · 24/06/2019 06:04

Get this into prospective.

She is not going to take you to court for a fence.

The police are not interested in fence panels.

She is an alcoholic so can't be reasoned with.

She will look for anything to have a go at you about as that's the state her MH is in.

You need to report aggressive behaviour to the police.

I would look at why the people you bought off didn't declare the issue with the neighbour if they didn't. This is the illegal part.

floribunda18 · 24/06/2019 06:14

Don't worry about the fence, she hasn't got a leg to stand on legally. Report any threatening behaviour to the police and keep a record.

llangennith · 24/06/2019 06:44

Your fence is on your land so nothing whatsoever to do with your neighbour.
There is no law that says who gets the nice side of the fence. (I cannot believe some people think there is🙄)
I'd get the builder to sort her gate then ignore her.

QueenBeee · 24/06/2019 06:46

She sounds a serious alcoholic and I would think what she is ranting about today she will have forgotten next month.
Just leave it be. As she is still drinking her reasoning will only get poorer.

Nanny0gg · 24/06/2019 06:54

You've paid for the fence all round. You want the fence to look the same all round. That's what you've got. There actually are no rules anyway it's just custom.

Fix her gate and then ignore.

Dontrainonmyparade · 24/06/2019 06:55

I didn’t know fences came with different sides. I feel partly like I’ve learned something and partly confused. I’m now heading off to search google images for clarity.

(Completely missing the point of the thread, I know).

Passthecherrycoke · 24/06/2019 07:01

“I would look at why the people you bought off didn't declare the issue with the neighbour if they didn't. This is the illegal part.”

Why do you think previous neighbours had a dispute with her? It was rented out anyway

Cherrysoup · 24/06/2019 07:04

@HappyLoneParentDay, the OP says Ooh, I did not know that! We thought that if you owned that side, you were responsible for maintenance/paying for replacements, but were entitled to the nice side of the fence as a result. Good info to have, thank you!

I have RTFT, thank you for your advice. I don't think this necessarily means the clearly stated unemployed neighbour actually owns the place. Makes no odds anyway. OP has done nothing wrong.

longwayoff · 24/06/2019 07:06

I'm with you dontrain, who knew? Or cares? Don't let a feud develop over a few quid, she'll find plenty more to rant about as time goes on.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 24/06/2019 07:07

The nice side/ugly side is just etiquette. Our neighbours replaced their fence without discussing it with us and we came home to find the ugliest fence posts ever on our side. We just decided life was too short and stuck in some shrubs to cover them up.

If shes an alcoholic she will be impossible to reason with so don't. When shes sober, if she raises iit then remind her of the agreement you had.

cupofteaandcake · 24/06/2019 07:10

There is no law about which side if the fence faces which way. It was/is the done thing to give your neighbours the nice side but this seems strange when you arr paying. If you didn't have to go near the gate when you did the fence then leave it. Be very careful here if you start doing additional things to be nice it could escalate. Tell your builders to not engage at all witj her.

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