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Neighbour and fence complaint...AIBU to tell her to sod off?

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YadiYadiYada · 23/06/2019 20:02

Ok, I didn't actually use the words "sod off", but more politely & calmly said "sorry, but no..."

Story about the long post but don't want to dripfeed:

Bought our house several months ago. We're FTB's and bought a doer-upper. It's just your average small 3-bed semi, but lots of work to be done, including a shit-hole of a garden. It was a former rental property and previous tenants hadn't looked after it.

We saved up hard over 9 months to get the garden completely overhauled as it really needed just digging up and starting from scratch. This included very old rickety fencing. Our neighbour owns one side of the boundary between us, however she's unemployed, lives alone and says she's unable to afford to have her side of the fencing replaced.

We understand her situation but didn't want to spend thousands on a new garden for one side to still be unstable and unattractive, so we went round and offered to pay for her side to be done. And done better than originally with concrete posts and gravel boards to ensure it was more structurally sound. The only catch was that as we were paying we would like to have the 'nice side' of the fencing facing into our garden. She accepted gleefully and laughed with "well if you're fucking paying for it, whatever!"

Our neighbour is an alcoholic btw. Not judging, I like a tipple myself. But it's a fact, and relevant. She goes through phases of going dry for a few weeks and then falling massively off the wagon and going through several weeks of bingeing and causing mayhem to all and sundry.

She's well-known to emergency services for being a nuisance who abuses 999. Her mother has all but disowned her and her daughter has gone completely NC. She often calls the kids playing out on the street "fucking little bastards!" for no reason. She's on tag for assaulting a police officer and she's been disqualified from driving as she ran someone over when under the influence. She's turned up on our doorstep in drunken stupors more than once, including xmas eve when we were doing the whole santa thing for our 6 yr old.

Due to her unpredictability though, we're always civil with her, always say a friendly "hi" if we see her, still have a friendly chat now and then, take her bins out for her on bin day & put them back, walk her back to her own house when she turns up drunk and make sure she's back in safely. We've never been anything but nice.

Our original discussion, where we offered to pay for the fencing, was specifically timed when she was dry and sober, to ensure she was totally compos mentis and she understood us. And prior to the work beginning we went round another two times to check she was still ok with it, reiterated what work was being done and reminded her of the date the work was starting. No probs, she was still ok and happy with it. Couldn't wait to have a nice new fence.

The new fencing has gone up and was completed yesterday. Done brilliantly - very sturdy, secure, straight, neat and looks good. A damn sight better than the one it's replaced by a longshot!

Neighbour came round today all aggressive & confrontational, wreaking of booze completely off her face shouting and balling "come and have a look at what your fucking builders have done in my garden, it's a fucking disgrace! I ain't fucking having it!!!"

She's clearly fallen off the wagon again and is now pissed off that we have the nice side of the fence.

"That's my side ffs, I should have the nice side of the fucking fence!" she's screeching. "AAAND! they've fucked up my gate, it don't fucking shut now, look at it!" while wrenching it back & forth and slamming it against the frame.

The gate has been 'fucked' for a while. She told us so herself that it's been like it for years when we chatted to her about the work we planned. She even showed us how it wouldn't shut. And over the months of living here we've seen her struggling and faffing with it. Ours was exactly the same because it hasn't been built properly as a whole structure by the original housing developers. It's just cheap B&Q stuff. We agreed that ours was just as crap, and was why we wanted to replace everything.

We managed to diffuse her angry episode with calm gentle talking and reminding her we had discussed this with her several times already, that it's far better than it was and that she had agreed because we paid for the lot and hadn't asked her for a penny. By the time we left she was laughing with us and being overly and uncomfortably affectionate, then waving us off cheerily. But we ignored the gate comment.

However, as we were walking away and just entering our own house she went to close her gate she shouted again and turned in an instant with "see, my fucking gate won't fucking shut now because of your fucking cowboy builders!" and started slamming it again.

We just went in.

I said to DH to just ask the fencing guys to sort her gate out, at our expense, just to shut her up. But DH says no out of principle. She's obviously a drunk CFer who's also trying to get a free gate as well as fencing. If we agree to the gates as well she's going to try to get more out of us.

But I'm worried if we don't she'll start causing trouble, kicking off at the builders who are still doing other landscaping work over the next few days and potentially calling out the police because she doesn't have "the fucking nice side!" of the fence (that we've paid for!)

Where do we stand legally if she causes a fuss? Will we have to give her the nice side at our expense if she decides to pursue it? I'm stressing now...

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Woody68 · 24/06/2019 07:19

I am still not clear. Does the new fence stand entirely within your property or does it straddle the boundary?the thing is you have taken down a fence which was hers. If you have no evidence of her agreeing to this she can take you to court for the cost of it

DonPablo · 24/06/2019 07:20

I wouldn't give this or her any more head space. It's a civil matter and as such she would have to pursue it. She's not capable financially or mentally (as in she's a drunk who won't stay sober enough to fill in a form, attend court all that stuff) to do that, so it's a non issue.

Learn the smile and nod way of dealing with her.

Loveislandaddict · 24/06/2019 07:22

My favourite thread of lady year was the fence one, where people were not sitting on the fence with their opinions...

There is no law to say who gets the nice fence. Basically, whoever pays decides.

Boulezvous · 24/06/2019 07:24

By the way, life really is too short sober or drunk to care about which side of a fence is the nice side! It's all nonsense - it's just a fence.

I'd just keep a polite distance from now on and advise your builders to do the same. She won't take legal action but she's going to continue to be a pain. I'm sorry for you. But take the least drama route and limit your involvement with her.

Boom25 · 24/06/2019 07:26

Oh god she sounds like my bloody neighbor who refuses to understand or believe that there is no law about who is responsible for which fence and who gets which side.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 24/06/2019 07:29

If it wasn’t the gate, it would be something else. No reasoning with a person when they’re in such a state. Disengage!

HeronLanyon · 24/06/2019 07:36

Do nothing until she’s in a dry period. If it were me I’d do her gate.
Don’t ask her to sign anything whether she’s sober or not. That will come back to bite you (“you twisted it and forced me to sign some f’ing bit of f’ing paper” type rant).
Both you and your dh write a note now for yourselves setting out when you spoke to her with her responses etc. Just in case of any future sober problem. It’s amazing what you can forget and a near as dammit contemporaneous note would be handy.
If doing gate take photo of before and after and get it as close to orig as possible.

Woody68 · 24/06/2019 07:39

! She can ring an online claim in 5 minutes for £30and might see it as a nice little earner

YadiYadiYada · 24/06/2019 07:48

@Woody68

Neighbour and fence complaint...AIBU to tell her to sod off?
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Saracen · 24/06/2019 07:58

Slightly OT, but keep receipts etc for the fence you've had put up in case you need to prove the new fence belongs to you and is on your land. You might get the builders to write a brief description of what they've done, e.g. "Remove neighbour's dilapidated fence and construct new fence six inches further back on YadiYadiYada's property."

Unless your deeds show the exact location of the boundary, she (or whoever later buys her property) might one day try to argue that they own the new fence and/or the land it stands on. If she is the one under a legal obligation to maintain a fence, and there is a fence along the boundary, it might appear that the fence is hers.

We are in this situation. When we moved in a few years ago, the neighbour told us verbally that the previous owners of our property had kindly put up a new fence, though he is the one who is legally required to maintain a fence there. This seems likely, as our property has a matching fence all around it. The neighbour has now changed his story, saying that the fence is his and sits on his property. This is a headache, as he is hanging heavy things from the fence which may damage it. Also, the exact position of the boundary may be relevant to some future work he wants to do on his house. I wish we had some proof of who owns the fence and where the previous fence stood!

Idontwanttotalk · 24/06/2019 07:58

We have party fences on both sides but paid for all the fencing ourselves because we wanted to change it. As with yours we have concrete posts and gravel boards (installed on the boundary line). However, we gave both sets of NDNs the 'nice' side deliberately for security purposes. We screwed the panels into the top of the gravel boards so we can only lift the panels from our side. We wanted the horizontal bars on our side because we didn't want their GC climbing up fences we'd paid for.

I don't think there is any rule about 'the nice side' but I'm damn sure that, if I paid for it, I'd erect/have it erected whichever way around I wished. Your NDN is a CF. I definitely would not buy her a new gate but, I might ask the builders if they can do a quick fix so that it opens easily for her. Can't be too difficult to fix.

Idontwanttotalk · 24/06/2019 08:05

I'm confused now I've seen your diagram as it doesn't appear that the fencing panels are slotted into the concrete posts.

Daydreamer34 · 24/06/2019 08:19

I'm sorry but I wouldn't have put any money into the fence and used the money to pay solicitors fees and move because I couldn't live next to that

YadiYadiYada · 24/06/2019 08:36

I'm confused now I've seen your diagram as it doesn't appear that the fencing panels are slotted into the concrete posts.

Of course there are fence panels slotted in! Was just demonstrating how the new fence posts are now slightly further into our own garden by a few inches in front of the border, not straddling the border. Something we did deliberately so she couldn't say that in the process of replacing her fence we'd nicked some of her land.

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BigRedDoor · 24/06/2019 08:57

I wouldn’t worry about her doing anything as organised as making a claim or complaining to the authorities. She doesn’t sound together enough to manage that.

Mending her gate, why not ask your holders how long it would take and how much it would cost? If cheap and quick to fettle it then it’s a nice thing to do (though guaranteed she’ll accuse them of messing with her property or not doing it right) and also stops her banging it about and making a nuisance of herself.

BigRedDoor · 24/06/2019 09:08

Builders not holders Hmm

MadSweeney · 24/06/2019 09:15

I lived next door to a pair of alcoholics for years. There isn't much reasoning and you learn not to take things personally.
One Sunday lunchtime dh got an earful for being so inconsiderate as to mow the back lawn (clearly both hungover), the next day neighbour had no memory of this and was as nice as pie. We had a few run ins over the years, none of which were ever raised again. It was as if it never happened and I imagine to them it didn't.

I suspect you'll have the same conversation many times. Just remember that she's probably going to forget most of it and don't take it to heart.

Meanwhile try and enjoy your lovely new garden.

BeckyWithTheSplitEnds · 24/06/2019 09:17

I've recently paid for very expensive, very high fences around the boundary of my house. A couple of neighbours have benefited greatly - I discussed it with them first.

So imagine my surprise when my NDN banged on my door one evening once work had started moaning about the fact the contractor had lined up the posts for the morning in her garden... and in fact wasn't coming to tell me it looked great or was going to be brilliant.

I put the door in her face that night and haven't spoken to her since. Cunt.

Pinkmouse6 · 24/06/2019 09:19

I agree with you, your DH sounds like a bit of a doormat tbh. She’s an alcoholic with many issues, you’ve already done enough to remain civil. When she’s sober I bet she won’t even remember the gate incident. Just ignore and move on.

Genevieva · 24/06/2019 09:27

She probably lacks the application to cause you any real trouble. She is already aggressive and unpredictable. I doubt she will do more than raise these issues when they spring to mind because she is already in an aggressive mood. If it wasn't the gate, she would be shouting at you about something else.

beanaseireann · 24/06/2019 09:36

Would the gate cost much to fix ?
Her poor dog - when she's drunk who looks after it ?

buttertoasty · 24/06/2019 09:48

Yeah I feel bad for the dog too

Yellowbutterfly1 · 24/06/2019 09:54

You get whatever side of the fence that you want if you’ve paid for it.
I paid for the fencing on the side of my garden that isn’t regarded as my responsibility so I have the ‘good’ side especially as it’s on my land.

Woody68 · 24/06/2019 09:58

So if the new fence is entirely on your land, it has nothing to do with her.
However most people butt the new fence up to the old to avoid this sort of situation developing. I doubt she will take things further though

WhatchaMaCalllit · 24/06/2019 10:53

Do you have any contact details of relatives of your NDN? Could you contact them to show them what you've done at no expense to her and point out that her gate has been wonky for some time and you're not willing to get it repaired at your expense and get them to sign something on her behalf?? Might that work?