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To report parents for not registering the birth of a child

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Anon6356237 · 23/06/2019 07:14

Should I stay out of it or report? I'm concerned the child could fly under the radar if there are any concerns if they are not 'in the system'. Who would I report to?

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HenriettaH · 25/06/2019 02:21

Lola smiles ... Yes it is No wonder people become recluses. It's the only way to avoid the busybody world this world has become. They survived before registers and electoral rolls. We are all proof of that.
True story. That is true whether you like it or not.

"We also survived enough before the polio vaccine." They is another story behind polio, but here isn't the place for that debate.

"We survived believing that material rape wasn't a crime." Presuming you mean 'marital' rape. But whether something is considered a crime or not it still occurs.

"We survived thinking people with mental health issues and learning disabilities should be locked up." Some people with mental health issues do need a secure environment - still applies today. Some other mental health problems may be something that the person with it wants to keep private and not blasted all over the place as some disease that gets spotlighted. They have to deal with the illness, they do not necessarily want it to become the next epic marathon run.

"We survived it being socially acceptable to hit your children." I'm not for beating children, but the cuff around the ear didn't do my generation any harm. In fact when I look at the state of things now and the rampant disrespect, discipline could be revisited.

"Society changes. Right now it is considered socially and morally wrong to render your child stateless and hide them from relevant professionals because of some paranoid conspiracy theory. "

Just because you believe one way does not give you the right to dictate how others should feel or what they deem as right. The system is far from perfect and truth be told it is corrupt to the core.

"Right now it's generally accepted that there is a collective responsibility to safeguard children."

Again, you may 'generally' accept something, but I do not...and may others do not. I don't think people should 'generally' be poking their noses into everything like its their business. My business is not your business and same applies everywhere. If you want to be part of a collective, join or get a membership to some likeminded 'generally overly inquisitive club'. My point of view may not match yours but its as valid as anyones.

"Right now anyone who compares safeguarding children to being a Nazi thought police busybody and shopping your neighbour is probably going to seem a bit paranoid."
To me someone who pokes their nose into just anyones business because they think they are a general collective seems highly treacherous and downright oppressive to me.

I think we need to agree to differ as your views are definitely not mine.

HenriettaH · 25/06/2019 02:36

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 25/06/2019 03:10

This thread has taken a slightly bonkers turn.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 25/06/2019 04:07

@HenriettaH Grin

I get where you're coming from!

Isatis · 25/06/2019 06:41

I'm not for beating children, but the cuff around the ear didn't do my generation any harm.

And that, right there, is excellent evidence that it did indeed do harm.

Isatis · 25/06/2019 06:43

Loving the concept of Germans in the Nazi era talking to each other in heavily accented English.

HenriettaH, I think you may have been watching too much Allo Allo.

LolaSmiles · 25/06/2019 06:48

This thread has taken a slightly bonkers turn.

It absolutely has.

It's not morally wrong to render a child stateless, to deny them access to professional health care and education, to prevent them attending university, to prevent them having an NI number and working legally.
It's just people's opinion because to safeguard a child is totally the same as Nazi thought police.

Godwin's law anyone? Grin

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 25/06/2019 06:51

Well this escalated quickly...

Proteinshakesandtears · 25/06/2019 06:58

I bet the people complaining about mazis and it not being anyones else's business have all benefitted from actually being registered at birth.

I bet they havent had to deal with the huge amount of shit that impacts your everyday life, when you are unregistered.

Proteinshakesandtears · 25/06/2019 06:59

Nazis...my phone didnt like that word and changed it to Mazi....didnt even know that was a word Grin

Boxingmum · 25/06/2019 07:01

If you register your child then the child becomes property of the state, government can take your child from you and adopt child without your permission (this probably happened to member of their family in the past), I personally considered not registering my children after the King family was told that they couldn’t take their son out of the country for life saving cancer treatment otherwise he would be taken away from them.
It is not illegal to not register your child, you are just made to think that.
Child can still get a passport, job, house, NI number etc, medical care it just means that you have all your rights as a parent & not the government.
I think this women has thought a lot about this & I commend her for taking a stand & also home schooling.
I think you should mind your own business actually & stop concerning yourself with things that are none of your business.

Proteinshakesandtears · 25/06/2019 07:09

Boxingmum you are wrong.

Its illegal to not register your child.

If you child is not registered, and I'll and you go to the hospital. They will get medical treatment. If they are admitted to hospital for more than a few hours. The lack of registration will come out and trigger SS. Therefore lots of parents wont take their kids to the hospital if they havent registered their child.

You can not get a passport, if you have no birth certificate. So you wouldnt even be able to get out of the country. If your child was in hospital receiving care for cancer, it's likely they would end up registered.

You cant get a house, if you have never been registered. Without your birth certificate, you cant get any further ID. So you couldnt learn to drive, or prove who you were for a bank account.

If you really thought about this and researched it properly you would know you are talking bollocks.

The court case, this week, proved it.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 25/06/2019 07:10

Child can still get a passport, job, house, NI number etc, medical care

How?

Hi I'm Mary, 28 years old, british , I live in Kent.

Prove it!

Ermmm... my mum and dad said so.

DottieLottie1 · 25/06/2019 07:13

Woah @Boxingmum, where have you got that idea from? Bonkers!

Isatis · 25/06/2019 07:14

If you register your child then the child becomes property of the state, government can take your child from you and adopt child without your permission (this probably happened to member of their family in the past)

Your child can only be taken from you and put into care because you are an unfit parent. That can and will happen irrespective of whether your child is registered, because the child's wellbeing comes first. Indeed, the fact that you haven't registered your child may well be one of the factors that rings alarm bells about your ability to care for your child.

I personally considered not registering my children after the King family was told that they couldn’t take their son out of the country for life saving cancer treatment otherwise he would be taken away from them

That isn't what happened. Check your facts.

Busymummylady · 25/06/2019 07:16

Have you tried speaking to the family directly? Explaining your concerns? As the bottom of birth certificates state, BC’s are not proof of ID, the approach that it proves who they are or their existence is probably insufficient. I would probably come from the side that it allows them to travel if they want to be off grid and access certain emergency services with a passport acquired after registration. I think the nanny state idea I can understand, but as an Immigration Law practitioner, I would say just for the sake of nationality and Immigration anything can happen and it may just be a good thing to have a PASSPORT as proof of right of abode. GP service, child benefit and home education are all irrelevant. I believe you should speak to them first on the point of right of abode and Immigration. I really dislike this going around the bushes and behind backs. I’m sure they’ll appreciate you speaking to them directly, as they may never have contemplated the above issue I relation to UK Immigration rights. You may also want to suggest that the registrar gets fined if they don’t register. But not registering the child’s birth as strange as it sounds is becoming increasingly common in the UK as I found out after having my baby due to nanny state reasons. If it’s not mandatory, fine. If its mandatory then encourage them with sound points of law which you can pinpoint by source rather than doing things out of emotion.

CitadelsofScience · 25/06/2019 07:30

The thread may have taken a bonkers turn but it's been very enlightening for two reasons; I'd never heard of Freemen of the land before and the volume of people who think the op should keep her nose out.

Stinkycatbreath · 25/06/2019 07:51

They probably have registered the child and are just saying they haven't to enhance their "out there" credentials. However would they expect to access medical help. I think they are having you on.

Proteinshakesandtears · 25/06/2019 08:10

Not regisitering a childs birth does happen.

So it's not beyond possibility they havent registered the birth.

But if they lying, reporting them will come to nothing.

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 25/06/2019 08:12

But if they lying, reporting them will come to nothing

^^ exactly. If they have registered the birth, then there will be a birth certificate and the case will be closed. No harm, no foul.

HappyMom1970 · 25/06/2019 08:13

This has nothing to do with parental rights whatsoever. So if I were you I would definitely report this. They have told you the child isn't registered. Safeguarding issue for sure. You can keep yourself anonymous but as a mother myself I'd do the right thing.

moon2 · 25/06/2019 08:25

@ReganSomerset I really am surprised that so many mums have the time to RTFT and swear in code at each other too. Makes no difference to my opinion though, as I would say if the law is so Dacronian that the country would not allow unregistered babies to register themselves without issue as young adults from 14 or 16 the law ought to be changed. Something for policy makers I think.

moon2 · 25/06/2019 08:32

Or perhaps even allow children to register themselves at any age but obviously that could potentially use problems at home when they are still dependents. There is always the risk that people will seek to go underground even further to avoid a perceived risk of a nanny or big brother state when it comes to their own families. It ought to be more about helping families rather than penalising to change views.

moon2 · 25/06/2019 08:32

** cause not use

Proteinshakesandtears · 25/06/2019 08:39

Makes no difference to my opinion though, as I would say if the law is so Dacronian that the country would not allow unregistered babies to register themselves without issue as young adults from 14 or 16 the law ought to be changed. Something for policy makers I think.

If you read the thread there are many problems when these unregistered people, then become registered

The law doesnt need to change. Register your child and it's fine. They have access to their rights as a citizen. Dont register your child and life become very complicated.

Why spend all the time and money changing the law, when what's in place works perfectly well.

If it became Law that you didnt have to register births, cause a teenager can sort that out for themseleves, do you know how many children would be at risk of abuse?

How is having kids under the radar until the are 14, going to help protect the vulnerable children in society.

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