Man-handling climate change protestors

[Leafyhouse]

Anyone else watch with horror as a climate change protestor was forcefully removed by Mark Field from the Mansion House speech? I mean, I'm no fan of political activism, 'direct action' and so on, but she wasn't presenting him with any direct threat, just shouting and being annoying. AIBU to think that his behaviour was totally unacceptable there?

of course "bang head emoji"- no group of terrorists would disguise themselves with greenpeace sashes. That must be it.

And no group of terrorists would aim to attack someone by dressing in clothes that could not conceal any weapons, or by passing through airport-style security that would mean weapons would be detected before they got into the venue.

Where your entire argument falls down, Gth, is that everyone else in that clip is sitting calmly at their respective tables. If anyone really believed these women posed a serious threat they would have been running for the doors or hiding under tables. Likewise if Field really thought this woman was carrying a weapon he wouldn't have dreamt of approaching her - he would have left it to the police and the security people. The evidence simply doesn't support you.

mbosnz Palace yard is ‘inside’ Parliament. To get to palace yard you have to go through security.
The man on that occasion had got through carriage gates (they get opened for cars)

I’m just pointing out that people can and do get past security in places they shouldn’t.
These protestors might have done the same.

Still think he’s a twat.

if you enter a premises unlawfully you certainly can be removed

This isn't true. Trespassing is a civil offence. You can ask people to leave, you can ask the police to ask them to leave (though they have no jurisdiction) and you can get a court order.

What you can't do is what Mark Field did.

I bet if someone had arrived uninvited at an event organised by any of the people objecting to the happenings at this dinner, and they proceeded to protest, you would not want them to stay, and if one person was to advance towards you as you were giving a speech, you would not be happy..

However, it needs to be done by a trained security officer,

If a trained security officer had stopped her getting in in the first place, Mark Field wouldn't have had to step in

22nd March 2017

I suspected that that was what Genetic was talking about. However, what she claimed was that "an armed man got in and killed a police officer" after going through security screening.

Except, of course, he didn't. All of that happened outside Parliament.

Has this actually happened, or is it yet another hypothetical product of some of the more feverish imaginations here?

no it hasn't happened. But we live in a world where you aren't allowed to take a bottle of water from home on to an aeroplane for your summer holiday flight to Spain, because it's just possible that it's not water, but some deadly explosive or poison.

So hell yes, a group of uninvited people bursting into a private meeting can expect to be given short shrift.

Were the protesters ALL greenpeace members? Were they all women? Were any of the men protesting?

The first post was

Anyone else watch with horror as a climate change protestor was forcefully removed by Mark Field from the Mansion House speech?

Never mind the horror - I watched with incredulity that a gang of at least 20 protesters were able to walk in and disrupt a high profile event, walk out again, with no action whatsoever being taken against them, and no apparent action taken to either stop them coming in, or stop them leaving.

As I already said, I can't believe they will find it so easy again for a few years. I don't know if the "ring of steel" in the city in the 1980's is still active, or whether it's been relaxed, but I expect there will be publicised (or maybe secret) cobra meetings to discuss increased security.

I find it incredible that so many people on this thread appear to be happy to dismiss this protest as a bit of a laugh, because it isn't in the slightest.

To get to palace yard you have to go through security.

To repeat, this man did not get through security screening, Genetic.

Field didn't have to step in, although he clearly enjoyed the opportunity to do so. Right up until the point he didn't. So sometime today, when he felt the tide of public opinion flow against him, and the lack of support from his party and his cronies.

He could have gone to security and told them to do their bloody job.

Still not answering the question, mummy2017. So I conclude that you don't have an answer - or rather that you know your answer is based on prejudice rather than fact.

No it does not, a security guard in the UK has no special power, anyone can remove a trespasser

Indeed. However, it is only lawful to do so using reasonable force. Where security men are present it makes sense to leave it to them as they will have had the requisite training.

Indeed. However, it is only lawful to do so using reasonable force. Where security men are present it makes sense to leave it to them as they will have had the requisite training

Well they clearly need re-training, don't they. :)

I bet if someone had arrived uninvited at an event organised by any of the people objecting to the happenings at this dinner, and they proceeded to protest, you would not want them to stay, and if one person was to advance towards you as you were giving a speech, you would not be happy.

Sure. However, I would leave it to security guards to sort out, I wouldn't resort to a prolonged physical attack on someone considerably smaller than myself.

I've actually been trained in dealing with possible threats.

You don't go for the neck. Ever. Partly because you could easily end up on a GBH/Manslaughter charge, but mainly because if they're going to do something horrible, it's largely dependent on their having their arms free with which to do it.

It's remarkably effective to apply a small amount of force around the thoracic region - in the most directly violent event I was involved in, by simply providing a little element of lift with some forward propulsion.

He did look very experienced in body slamming, trapping and pinning a smaller person, though. Very experienced.

No it does not, a security guard in the UK has no special power, anyone can remove a trespasser

I wasn't neccessarily speaking in legal terms, more in the sense that Field was obviously totally incompetent in the whole 'removing dangerous protesters' lark. For one thing, he left both her hands free.

But in any case, is it really true that 'anyone' is allowed to 'remove a trespasser'? Firstly, how does 'anyone' determine who is and is not a 'trespasser'? Could someone just decide that someone in my home was a 'trespasser' and take it upon themselves to forcefully remove them? And isn't the Mansion House a public building, even if the event itself was private? So who gets to decide who is a 'trespasser'?

cinnamontoast
Trespass.
Disturbing the peace.
The is another one about political events.. but not sure of the wording...

Well they clearly need re-training, don't they.

And Mr Fields needs training. In what constitutes reasonable force, particularly in his very public and vulnerable position. Silly pillock.

So hell yes, a group of uninvited people bursting into a private meeting can expect to be given short shrift.

Since when did "short shrift" mean being manhandled by the neck by some oaf of a guest who is plainly trying to show off to his mates, when the reactions of other guests demonstrate that they didn't feel threatened in any way?

As the security guards managed to remove the other 39 or so protestors without this sort of performance, it doesn't sound like they do need retraining.

no it hasn't happened

So I was right. A product of your feverish imagintion.

But we live in a world where you aren't allowed to take a bottle of water from home on to an aeroplane for your summer holiday flight to Spain, because it's just possible that it's not water, but some deadly explosive or poison.

These restricitons - and btw many security experts consider them absurd - are fairly easy to comply with though. You seem to be saying that pretty much anyone everywhere is potentially a threat, which theoretically is true, but I'm not sure what you want to happen. For example, imagine that posters with names starting with GTH just maybe might be possibly right-wing extremists. Should we not let them on buses or trains or indeed out in the streets at all?

So hell yes, a group of uninvited people bursting into a private meeting can expect to be given short shrift

FFS this is getting silly. Nobody is saying they should not have been removed. I'm sure this is what they all expected. And nobody is complaining about the manner in which the protesters were removed. All except one. For very good reason.

isatis my point is that on that occasion, the man was is a secure area inside the parliamentary estate. He’d managed to by-pass security. It can happen. It could’ve happened last night- the people inside mansion house didn’t know how the protestors got in. They didn’t know if they’d been security screened. That was my point.

I think my work here is done. A bientot :)

I think my work here is done

Sure, if your work consisted of making a number of extremely weak points and failing to respond when the inherent flaws were pointed out.

But the one your talking about very clearly was making her way towards Hammond, what do you think she knew him and wanted a kiss...
Probable cause to think she had an agenda....

I think my work here is done. A bientot

I really can't imagine what you think your function or goal was. Well, I can, but I think they most probably aren't what you think they were. . .