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To think my newbuild is haunted?

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forsythekt · 18/06/2019 01:11

Outing so have namechanged.

I live on a smallish council estate which 5 years ago was extended with a development of 15 new council houses. I moved 2 months ago as I houseswapped with an old couple and their adult son who needed a first floor flat. I was delighted to swap as it was 3 bedrooms so both my DC (DD 3 and DS 15 months) had their own bedroom and it was on the nicer end of council estates. The reason the past owners are relevant is because I want to clarify that nobody has died in the house.

About 1 month after moving in, we began experiencing a few weird things that have been escalating. It started with little things, like hearing noises downstairs when everyone was in bed and DD's toys randomly going off in the night. After changing DS one night (after opening a new bumper box of nappies) the box fell off the changing table and nappies were all over the floor. It was the early hours and I couln't be bothered pick them up so put DS back in his cot deciding to clear it up in the morning. The next morning I went back in and the nappies were all in the corner of the room. DP thought I was being silly as it's a tiny box room so there was nowhere for them to have moved to, but I remember them in front of the changing table which is in the centre of the room.

It was then quiet for awhile until things picked up again 2 weeks ago. Our dog has been very frightened and is starting into space and barking at the walls. DD keeps coming into our bedroom in the night saying someone is whispering her name. Our usually calm good as gold DS keeps waking up in the night in hysterics and we've had to move his cot into our room. DP's older daughter (14 from a previous relationship) came to stay for the first time last week and shared with my DD. The next morning she said she'd felt a strange presence in the room, but we hadn't told her of our experience. DP was still always skeptical until what happened last night.

Me and DP are in bed cuddling poorly DS and DD was asleep in her room and we heard our dog bark and then a loud bang. Come downstairs to find the cast iron table has moved half way across the living room! And the floor is fluffy carpet so impossible for our lab to have moved it. And a few hours later a door slammed. DP admits that has made him question things. I was utterly bewildered, especially with it being a newbuild so contacted the previous tenants (with it being homeswap we still talk occasionally) to ask if they had experienced anything to which they were insistent they hadn't.

I've been doing my research on the area. It's used to be a quaint
countryside village but a lot of the old cottages, pubs and the post office etc were demolished after the war to build a city overspill estate to get people out of the inner city slums. A few other nearby estates have the same origins. The village still has a few old feautures such as a church and even some old stocks (where people used to have their hands locked in while others threw things at them for punishments) near a playing field! I think our house must be built on top of what used to be a cottage or perhaps people were buried here? Though why didn't they bother the previous tenants?

Eek! Someone tell me I'm going mad.

This post was edited by MNHQ

OP posts:
TruthOnTrial · 19/06/2019 12:54

There are lots of potential causes that would need checking out first.

Do you have neighbours attached both sides, are you near a railway line or close to continual heavy traffic.

Is there potential subsidence? I have a friend whos work is primarily investigating subsidence and commonly things cime off walls, break, doors slam etc. But even the right draught through makes doors slam easily, etc.

Have you heard of the principle of the most simple explanation is the most likely cause, even if we dont know what it is.

Get your locks changed today! How many people in your house, was it 5?

A move is a massive change all round, one of the biggest in life, affects us all, especially children, including teens and animals.

forsythekt · 19/06/2019 13:53

Have taken some posters advice and stood in the living room telling it loud and clear to leave us alone. Especially the DC. Am off to pick up the video moniter now.

OP posts:
exWifebeginsat40 · 19/06/2019 13:55

re: Ouija boards.

i have a Ouija board tattooed across the back of my hands and fingers (numbers on my fingers, ‘Yes’, the Sun and ‘Good’ on my right hand, and ‘No’, the Moon and ‘Bye’ on the left. put them side by side and it’s the full board). i remain, as yet, untroubled by malevolent spirits.

however, the old part of our house has a ghost cat, and someone who flits about just in the corner of your eye - everyone who lives here has experienced it and occasionally visitors will mention it. i don’t know what it is, but it isn’t harmful. in fact, this is the most peaceful home i’ve ever had.

i do horror movie stuff like look under the bed at night, which i have never, ever done before - my parents were horribly abusive and i watched banned XXX horror films as a child in the 80s and have spent my life terrified of the dark, mirrors, werewolves and, weirdly, of 03:15 am, which was the time in the Amityville Horror that the weird shit went down. fun fact: 03:15 am is a horror movie trope, and if you watch enough movies you can see it being used over and over again as the time when the demons come out to play.

i’ve lived in houses that scared me, and had rooms i couldn’t go in. i’ve explored a derelict mental hospital and had two distinctly ‘paranormal’ experiences there. i’m fairly open-minded - who’s to say that there isn’t another layer or layers of time that occasionally leak?

it’s a funny old world. BUT - if anyone has photos or video that conclusively show paranormal activity, the James Randi Foundation has a USD $1,000,000 prize waiting for you...

forsythekt · 19/06/2019 13:57

exWifebeginsat40 Isn't the 3am trope based on something to do with evil spirits mocking Christ? I'm sure I head somewhere Christ was "resurrected" at 3pm and the evils supposedly piss about at 3am to mock him.

OP posts:
Crunchymum · 19/06/2019 14:07

No-one elderly needs a first floor flat?

Especially someone in a wheelchair??? Shock

forsythekt · 19/06/2019 14:16

Crunchymum Meant groundfloor. People round here tend to refer to ground as first and one above as second.

OP posts:
ContinuityError · 19/06/2019 14:20

exWifebeginsat40 Is it an old house? It was supposedly a tradition in some places to place a dead cat in the walls to keep witches out.

forsythekt · 19/06/2019 14:25

Procrastinating because I feel daft going to pick up the video moniter for this. God I'm bloody mad. Right better turn off Blush

OP posts:
BettyUnderswoob · 19/06/2019 14:31

BUT - if anyone has photos or video that conclusively show paranormal activity, the James Randi Foundation has a USD $1,000,000 prize waiting for you

Ah, that prize is now sadly withdrawn, exWife

CitadelsofScience · 19/06/2019 14:52

People do make me laugh when they protest so vehemently about spirits and ghosts not being real. I mean we don't know everything about the human brain but it's definitely still real in everyone's heads.

I was always very sceptical... until I wasn't and had several experiences. I'm fairly sure I know who one visitor was but they did leave me alone after I said I just didn't have the energy to deal with them daily and would they mind going away for a bit. They did.

There's still so much more to discover that to not be open to the possibility is a bit arrogant I think.

CitadelsofScience · 19/06/2019 14:53

I completely for got to say good luck with the monitor Op.

Inis · 19/06/2019 16:39

People do make me laugh when they protest so vehemently about spirits and ghosts not being real. I mean we don't know everything about the human brain but it's definitely still real in everyone's heads.

But the brain's actual existence doesn't need to be proven. Hmm.

And they're not 'protesting' anything, merely pointing out that in the entire history of humanity, despite considerable investigation, no proof whatsoever has ever emerged of the existence of the supernatural in any form, whether it's the dead in some form contacting the living, psychic powers, clairvoyance, demonic possession, poltergeists, NDEs, telepathy, ESP etc. Every time any such phenomenon has been tested, the result has been entirely in line with what you would ordinarily expect.

The OP has some noises, doors slamming, and things falling down in her new house. There are a lot of rational explanations it would be worth exploring burglars or other intruders, subsidence, structural damage. Co2? before I'd start asking spirit entities to go away.

Snidpan · 19/06/2019 16:41

@LadyRannaldini
"I mentioned this. OH went pale, 'But I didn't, you did that every night'. We always had the blanket over us in the morning.
We then moved to another country and met up with a couple and we found they had lived in the same flat a few years earlier. 'Oh' she said, 'Did you get tucked in at night?' "
So many questions! You went to another country and bumped into people who'd lived at the same house as you? What are the odds?
OH said you did the thing with the blanket: did he see you, or did he assume it was you
This event happens nightly, and no one has recorded it?

Isitmeorhimthistime · 19/06/2019 16:57

villanellesproudmum is it chapelford? I was looking at the new builds there Sad don't think I'll bother now.

SavingSpaces2019 · 19/06/2019 17:28

i had a wandering spirit in my old council flat.
It used to move things - like tweezers which i had literally just put down to grab a tissue, turn to pick them up and they've disappeared. Look everywhere and finally find them on the window sill on the other side of the room.

I think it didn't approve of my friends and I drinking and partying.
my fgriend and i came home after a night out once, we both walked into the living room together, my clean clothes were on the couch. we both left the room together - me to go to the toilet and him to the kitchen (opposite the toilet).
I hadn't even finished pissing and he charged into the bathroom all freaked out - he'd walked back into the living room and all my clothes were unfolded and laid out on the floor.
He'd only left my side for 30 seconds to go into the kitchen and i could hear him getting a glass of water so it definitely wasn't him.
He also said something slapped him on the back of his neck.
We spent the night at his mums house all freaked out and jittery Grin

babba2014 · 19/06/2019 17:50

I'm a Muslim and believe there are jinns. Jinns are like humans but we are made of clay whilst they are made from fire and were made before we were.
They can do things we can't like travel quickly etc.
The stuff you have described sounds typical of the behaviour of jinns. They are not meant to make their presence known to humans but some do if their home/path has been disturbed or they are naughty.
People shouldn't be afraid of jinns though as they are really like naughty children. If you shout at them GO AWAY then should leave.
My husband went to India once and stayed in a house which wasn't one that people frequented. More like a home for relatives to stay in and him and his siblings heard what you described: bang and crash sounds downstairs. They stopped staying there.
As Muslims we are taught prayers so that we can be protected from the naughty jinns. Some jinns possess humans too and that is totally forbidden for them.
Jinns lurk in dirty places more than say the average room so when we enter the bathroom we say a prayer in Arabic which means, O Allah, I seek protection with you from the evil make and female jinn.
We also have a prayer when coming out of the bathroom but it's not about the jinn.
We are also told to close windows at Maghrib time which is basically sunset and the time for our sunset prayer. Also not to take children out at that time as naughty jinn like to snatch them/tug at them.
There is also a verse in the Qur'an called the verse of the throne which is meant to be the most powerful verse especially as protection against the jinn. There is one part in the verse 'wa la yaooduhu hifdhuhuma' which if we repeat on encountering a jinn, the jinn flees.
On a general note, it's not that the above are frequent occurrences but they do happen so we are taught to always be on the safe side and pray for protection.

I once heard a talk from a person who deals with jinns and making them leave and he said that when we dream and see jinn it is actually reality in the jinn world. I sometimes read too much about these things and may dream like that lol so then I read that part of the verse of the throne and I notice the jinn leaves or goes away. It is a bit freaky when you think about it but I should just stop reading about this stuff lol.

You can try playing the verse of the throne whether you believe in it or not but see what happens.

Or shout go away. I heard from the speaker above that a jinn fell in love with a non Muslim woman and she kept finding roses in her hallway. The police said they could not find a point of entry and it must be supernatural and laughed it off. One day she was fed up and shouted GO AWAY and the jinn never returned again.

As a side note yes some jinn do fall in love with humans and then possess them. The human may then show accounts of depression eg not moving from where they are and looking down all the time. This is the jinn possessing their body. We believe when we pray verses from the Qur'an on them with the believe that Allah will remove the jinn, the jinn will flee.

Another thing we have been encouraged to do is recite or play the verses of the second chapter in the Qur'an Surah Baqarah. It is the longest Surah in the Qur'an and also has verses of protection. If you play this around your house in all the rooms then they should leave. It's worth trying. Message me if you want.

IncognitaIgnorama · 19/06/2019 18:16

Don't you watch any horror movies, OP? Clearly, this entity is attached to one of you... Grin

Joking apart, the bar for Deliverance in the C of E is extremely high, but your local vicar will probably come out and say a blessing if that would make you feel better: really, it doesn't matter if any of the things suggested are placebos, or whether there actually is an unquiet spirit. So long as your minds are set at rest, it's not important what or why.

MKGal · 19/06/2019 18:25

@Likethebattle Did you live in Milton Keynes? Sounds similar to my experiences.

Robin2323 · 19/06/2019 19:08

@babba2014
I found that really interesting and would like to thank you for sharing.
The only time I have felt a presence was after my dad died.
For about a month I would feel his presence for a few seconds, now and again.
It was very calming.
I thought maybe I was imagining it - making it happen.
BUT after it stopped, try as I might I couldn't do it.
I think my dad was making sure
I was ok , and then, he left.

MKGal · 19/06/2019 19:11

I believe you. I've experienced it first hand too and it was very real.

Growing up, we lived in a council house, fairly nice area, house was about 10 years old. I had the larger room and my younger brother the box room. In the large room, at night I used to fall asleep feeling like someone was holding my hand and caressing it with their thumb, which I found comforting. In my young brain, raised as a Catholic, I just thought it was Jesus saying goodnight. blush

A few years later, at the age of puberty, while settling to sleep, I started hearing voices, definitely not in my head, I heard them in the room, it was a couple of people talking in a low whisper, I couldn't ever make out more than a word here or there as they spoke over each other. The more I strained to hear what was being said, the more voices I would hear. More voices joined in, all whispering / muttering over each other and the more voices I heard the louder it got, until it became a cacophony. I'd end up putting my hands over my ears and shout at them to stop. I'd take my hands off my ears and all was quiet again.

It was really frightening and to this day I've no idea who was talking. But it was not my imagination. I was a teenager, a sensible one at that.

Anyway, a few months later, my mum said it was time for me to move into the box room, it was only fair that my brother got a few years in the big room. I'd never really gone into my brother's room before, as it was so tiny, we used to always play in my room.

When I moved in, all it fitted was a wardrobe, single bed and dressing table. From the door threshold it was a few steps to the bed.

The odd thing about this room was you'd step over the threshold and it was like walking into a fridge. It was a terraced house and a small room, so made no sense. It also felt oppressive and like I was being watched, by something not friendly.

One day I was at my dressing table and put a hairbrush down on it, then turned around to get something from my wardrobe, turned back and my brush was on my bed, confused, I put it back on the dresser, turned back to my clothes in the wardrobe, picked out a top, turned back and the brush was on the bed again.

I was really freaked out and started questioning my sanity, so I used to 'test' it, whatever 'it' was and my belongings kept being moved. Nobody else was in my room except me.

My room was at the top of the stairs and whenever I needed to go downstairs I used to run down them as it felt like someone / something was behind me at the top and I felt that they would push me.

It was so scary, that I confided in my best friend, she lived a two minute walk from me and she didn't mock me, she said that she'd experienced strange goings on in her family home too, things moving and when she was in the bathroom she'd hear feet shuffling outside the door!

Difference being, she actually spoke to her parents (I didn't speak to mine or my family about it) and they got a spritualist in. The spiritualist said their house was haunted by a monk, rather randomly he was a disgraced monk and there were a number of them that had been disgraced in his group of monks, not sure what the collective noun for monks is! They had to get a priest in to bless the house and get rid of him.

Anyway, we eventually moved house and in my late teens I was watching TV with my mum and brother and something about spirits / ghosts came on. My brother piped up and went, "Mum, look! Just like our last house!" My mum shot him a stern look to shush him, I asked what was going on, she said they hadn't wanted to scare me, but the last house had spirit activity, my mum kept seeing a tall shadow pass along down the hallway at night, after we were in bed and get this....

My brother saw a hooded figure at the top of the stairs outside the box room, he told mum that it looked like a monk.

I was speechless and utterly freaked out.

Fast forward years later, I since learn there's an ancient abbey / monestary 1-2 miles from our old house!

I hated that house. Wouldn't ever want to go back there.

Inis · 19/06/2019 19:24

I'm a Muslim and believe there are jinns.

It would be far more interesting if the OP, presumably from a nominally Christian cultural background, were haunted by an entity in which she does not believe and has never heard of, from a different belief system.

We 'see' what we expect to see, even in terms of the supernatural -- a pp 'saw' monks, which are a familiar type of ghost from stories. Muslims, or some of them, say prayers to keep away jinn when they enter a bathroom, because jinn are supposed to be attracted to dirty places, like toilets and dumps.

babba2014 · 19/06/2019 19:34

I was just putting the perspective out there. We believe they are normal just like humans and angels. Some people get really haunted by them to the extent of hallucinations but as another pp just recently posted, it is in fact reality and we can make it go away. Of course a non Muslim will not say prayers etc but even shouting at them to go away helps so it's interesting seeing the different experiences.

managedmis · 19/06/2019 19:36

Might be way off the mark here but I don't reckon spirits, ghosts, jinns, etc have a religious affinity

Inis · 19/06/2019 19:47

Might be way off the mark here but I don't reckon spirits, ghosts, jinns, etc have a religious affinity

I'm not suggesting they do, what I'm saying is that people 'see' what their culture has taught them to expect, whether that's folklore, ghost stories, horror films, religion etc. People aren't haunted by another culture's ghosts.

So non-Muslims don't consider whether they have a jinn infestation when strange things start happening in their houses, and Han Chinese are unlikely to hear the banshee.

exWifebeginsat40 · 19/06/2019 20:30

@BettyUnderswoob no more Randi prize? oh! i guess it just got too time-consuming debunking millions of digital images.

as for our ghost cat - the house is only about 120 years old so i don’t think it’s a witch cat in the walls.

however, we are definitely on ancient land - i have found hundreds of flint arrows, axes and stone tools in the fields near our house. until we moved here, in my 20 years living in this area i had found precisely 2.

there’s a sacred site over the fields from our house, which apparently had a Christian place of worship from the 1300s. the chapel there was in ruins by the late 1500s. there is an obvious circle of ancient pine trees, and it has been a place of worship for a very long time. our village is in the Domesday Book and we are in an area noted for Viking burials. but, the artefacts i have found are much, much older than that - as in Neolithic. it’s weird, and amazing.

ooh! who thinks i should go and sit in the sacred circle for the Solstice?

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