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To think that inviting primary children to witness erect penises, gang rape references and spikes up mens arses isn't artistic, it's pedophilia?

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ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 15/06/2019 07:27

This art exhibition is being pushed by Gendered Intelligence, a group that works in schools:

www.transgendertrend.com/gendered-intelligence-training-teachers-kiss-my-genders/

The event is not age restricted, in fact children are being actively encouraged to go.

I have been informed by a very 'woke' friend that this is art and I am homophobic, kink shaming, and transphobic (because apparently even linking to the above website on my FB is, no matter what it says) and that maybe I should go with my own primary aged dc to 'broaden my mind'.

My mind has been broadened. That friend obviously shouldn't be let anywhere near my dc again.

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sackrifice · 15/06/2019 10:36

I actually think it does need reporting to the police

It's kinked with gender.

Therefore if it gets reported, the reporter may well be sat in a cell for 8 hours for being transphobic.

Because this is where we are.

There is nobody, no authority, that hasn't been infiltrated.

Myusernameismud · 15/06/2019 10:37

They are promoting the life out of it on Facebook.

sackrifice · 15/06/2019 10:37

And they know it.

jennymanara · 15/06/2019 10:38

If I was in London I would report it to the police. Because I would not report it without actually seeing it and I can not get to London.

jennymanara · 15/06/2019 10:39

And no reason you would be jailed for transphobia. Just report the images such as men with spikes up their bottoms.

sackrifice · 15/06/2019 10:40

And no reason you would be jailed for transphobia. Just report the images such as men with spikes up their bottoms

That would be classed as Homophobia.

I am not sure if you are aware but there is nobody to go to.

Children no longer have the right not to be confronted with penises.

NoSquirrels · 15/06/2019 10:41

Just looked at the hayward gallery's twitter and a lot of the tweets from earlier questioning why it doesn't have an age rating are being deleted. What the fuck? They're not engaging at all, and silencing anyone who questions. How can this be happening?

This is the real worry. I’ve taken my DC to loads of course temporary art stuff over the years and if there is an exhibit or PART OF an exhibit which is unsuitable for children it is very clearly marked and manned by staff who stop the underage going in or at least stop them until they get explicit consent from an adult responsible for them - this happens really regularly. Art deals with uncomfortable subjects a lot- violence, sex, death - and the art world is usually keen it’s not misinterpreted as voyeurism.

There will have been a deliberate decision taken not to restrict the age limit and I suspect the involvement of Gendered Intelligence and the 13-17 workshops are part of that decision-making process and influenced it.

jay55 · 15/06/2019 10:41

Has it been reported to Southwark council? The arts council? Funding is always contingent on outreach and youth programs, this one sounds highly unsuitable.

Agree that the daily mail is also the way to go. At least they do good outrage.

Neil Coyle is MP for Bermondsey and Southwark no idea where he lies on these issues but might be worth contacting.

jennymanara · 15/06/2019 10:42

It is hysteria to claim there is no one to report this to. There is.

jennymanara · 15/06/2019 10:43

And yes it is common to have age restrictions in exhibitions. I have seen it many times.

howwudufeel · 15/06/2019 10:46

It isn’t chilling to realise that a group of people have had a meeting about this exhibition and whether it should be open to children of all ages and decided that, yes it should be. Trans, bi, gay children are still children above all else.

Datun · 15/06/2019 10:48

Contact the sponsors:
www.southbankcentre.co.uk/support/support-us/our-supporters

As far as I recall Gendered Intelligence were also responsible for that ridiculous, sexist, regressive exhibition at the science museum. Where children were encouraged to fill out a questionnaire to find out whether they had a pink brain or a blue brain.

After a lot of pushback, much of it originating here on mumsnet, the science museum agreed and took that part of the exhibition down.

This is unhealthy social engineering.

sackrifice · 15/06/2019 10:50

It isn’t chilling to realise that a group of people have had a meeting about this exhibition and whether it should be open to children of all ages and decided that, yes it should be. Trans, bi, gay children are still children above all else.

Wut?

howwudufeel · 15/06/2019 10:51

Autocorrect. Meant to say ‘it is chilling’.

TinselAngel · 15/06/2019 10:56

I'm at a loss to understand what is wrong with "kink shaming". Surely having a good old fashioned dose of shame about your kink is quite healthy for the rest of us who don't share it.

Really I know the answer lies in queer theory and I'm going to have waste time of my valuable life reading more about it.

S1naidSucks · 15/06/2019 10:56

jennymanara, there may be people that this can be reported to, but unfortunately so many of them are complicit in helping the TRA juggernaut, that their response will most likely be shouts of transphobia.

The organisation running this show have no intention of trying to shock children. They want children to accept these images as normal, in the same way those will ill intention towards children, manipulate them. That’s what so concerning about the whole show. There are some beautiful photos that, if I didn’t have the relevant information, would definitely encourage me to go and that’s the bag of sweeties.

sackrifice · 15/06/2019 10:56

It is hysteria

Oh my, like women have never ever been accused of hysteria before.

This is brand new information.

So edgy...like this 'exhibition'

Tell it to the woman sat in a cell all day for daring to state that men cannot be women.

SophoclesTheFox · 15/06/2019 10:58

It’s absolutely fine that art is provocative and shocking, and makes you uncomfortable and challenges your assumptions, and depicts things and acts that are usually private or secret when you are an adult.

My pearls remain firmly clutched at the idea that this is in any way suitable for children, and I am including the targeted 13-17 year olds in the category of children.

What great strides forward have been made recently in the great cultural grooming experiment we’re living in. People will straight faced defend showing violent and pornographic images to children in the name of sex positivity and “queering”. It’s gob smacking.

hedders · 15/06/2019 11:00

Agree that marketing, not just opening, but marketing a sexually explicit exhibition to children seems dodgy. Children are not adults. They do not have the physical or mental maturity to watch such images. It can really mess them up.

As a continental European, I often wonder about the weird and twisted way so many people here approach sex. Especially those that insist on how 'open-minded' they are.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/06/2019 11:01

There is apparently a planned Youth Takeover event focussing on the exhibition for 13 - 17 year olds ....
www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/136997-kiss-my-genders-youth-takeover-project-2019#events

truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/06/2019 11:02

So that's year 8 children upwards...

madcatladyforever · 15/06/2019 11:03

Kink is a personal sexual preference it is nothing whatsoever to do with gender identity and I am sick of this lifestyle choice being flaunted as anything more than that.

BringItIn · 15/06/2019 11:11

I phoned the Southbank Centre to ask about the sexual content in the show and get advice on whether it would be suitable for my children. The member of staff I spoke to couldn't help as she had not seen the show, but she said children would be admitted although there was sexual content. I asked again how I could find out WHAT sexual content was included, before seeing the show, and she went to speak to some colleagues. She came back sounding a bit flustered and said nobody there had seen the show as it was so new and so they couldn't advise me. She suggested I rang back in a few days.

howwudufeel · 15/06/2019 11:14

So there could be children who see this exhibition today?

S1naidSucks · 15/06/2019 11:18

She came back sounding a bit flustered and said nobody there had seen the show as it was so new and so they couldn't advise me. She suggested I rang back in a few days.

That’s genuinely shocking! They’re hosting a show, without actually checking out the content. Good for you, for phoning them. I would love to have to been a fly on the wall, when she had a look at it, though they would probably have had dressed said fly in a gimp suit.