To think that inviting primary children to witness erect penises, gang rape references and spikes up mens arses isn't artistic, it's pedophilia?

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This art exhibition is being pushed by Gendered Intelligence, a group that works in schools:

www.transgendertrend.com/gendered-intelligence-training-teachers-kiss-my-genders/

The event is not age restricted, in fact children are being actively encouraged to go.

I have been informed by a very 'woke' friend that this is art and I am homophobic, kink shaming, and transphobic (because apparently even linking to the above website on my FB is, no matter what it says) and that maybe I should go with my own primary aged dc to 'broaden my mind'.

My mind has been broadened. That friend obviously shouldn't be let anywhere near my dc again.

AIBU?

• Opening post edited at OP's request

I don't think a picture of a man holding his erect penis will shock most boys as that is something they're used to doing to themselves. I am a mother of lovely well adjusted kids, boys and girls- some now adults - who'da thought!

*The article you posted a link to had an agenda.

When I looked at the website advertising the actual exhibition, I saw no mention of this being an exhibition about porn or BDSM. This is just more catasrophising from the anti-trans movement, to get people worked up about something they have very little information on.*

This. The hysteria about “kids being encouraged to go!!!” is I can only assume deliberately disingenuous. The evidence given in respect of this is a screenshot of the standard ticket T&Cs of the gallery the exhibition is being hosted by. The lack of critical thinking is fucking astounding.

I do not understand the modern preoccupation with insisting that children are told about sexual matters before they are mature enough to understand them. The ones that are will ask questions. That should be the guidelines for parents, not strangers presenting ‘sex as art’. Seems that they want to make the extreme minority mainstream. Not good.

The event that the writer of the linked blog attended was for teachers - the stated aim was to build skills to discuss key topics of trans awareness and gender identity, drawn from the exhibition, in the classroom.
One of the presenters from the charity Gendered Intelligence spoke about how they were mentoring a 9 year old child in a primary school at the request of the school...... So someone advocating that children view this exhibition is working one to one with a 9 year old discussing their sexuality.........

Given that most boys play with their penises then we are talking about protecting the girls.

Are you saying that because boys play with their penis they don't need protecting from adult erect penises?

Vulpine as long as your children have grown up well adjusted that's fine. Personally I probably won't take my 8yo to see a video of men with spikes up their arses though.

I don't think a picture of a man holding his erect penis will shock most boys as that is something they're used to doing to themselves.

It's not about shocking kids, it's not a crime because it will shock them, it's a crime because it's pornographical.

Vulpine what even a 5 year old? Masturbating is a sexual act, and as such showing it to a child is not fucking OK.

There are many things that have made me angry recently, but this has made me livid. It is happening in plain sight and nobody seems to care. I know we care, but I mean nobody with any real power or voice.

WonkoTheSane42
The gallery has run an event specifically for teachers encouraging them to use the exhibition with children to have a discussion about gender - try reading the link in the first post.

Nothing disingenuous at all.

This is a huge scandal in the making.

My biggest fear is that it isn't, that this is too far down the road for it to be pulled back and this is what life and education is for our children now.

I don't think a picture of a man holding his erect penis will shock most boys as that is something they're used to doing to themselves.

When you say 'boys' what sort of age are you talking here? Because there is no age restriction on this exhibition, we are talking primary age kids.

You have to admit, the breaking down and blurring of lines around this are working,
as Vulpine and many others demonstrate by not having even the vauges healthy idea of safeguarding and appropriate boundaries in regards to children.

My biggest fear is that it isn't, that this is too far down the road for it to be pulled back and this is what life and education is for our children now.

This is correct, in my opinion it'll get worse from here.

My biggest fear is that it isn't, that this is too far down the road for it to be pulled back and this is what life and education is for our children now
Agreed CarolDanvers. This is the future for our children...

One the brighter side, more people are waking up to it happening. It's too late to do anything, but it's nice to see the rose tinted glasses coming off.

Even the BBC doesn't hold the same grip it once had.

And its not about 'shocking' kids, it doesn't matter if they are not 'shocked'. Exposing children to pornopgraphic images, of which a man holding his erect penis, is categorically child abuse.

Sorry that should say of which a man holding his erect penis is one

I read a lot of minimising going on in this thread. This is what child abusers and their supporters do.
Oh no big deal, the kids only caught a glimpse of me and their mum having sex.
Sure I leave porn magazines around, but kids see worse on their own phones.
Yes I was watching porn when the kids were in the room, but whats the difference from middle class families taking their kids to galleries with paintings of naked people in them.

That is minimising and excusing. And it is what some here are doing. I see you.

user1469976617 Sat 15-Jun-19 10:06:21
No way would our school be taking the children to that.

Madness

Unfortunately, the underhand way that it’s being advertised means that many schools will have no idea what the children are going to confronted with, until it’s too late. I’d advise that any teachers on here discuss this with their head teachers, to make them aware of what this porn show is actually about. I wouldn’t want to be the teacher confronted with a furious parent and a law suit.

You have to admit, the breaking down and blurring of lines around this are working, as Vulpine and many others demonstrate by not having even the vauges healthy idea of safeguarding and appropriate boundaries in regards to children.

That’s depressingly true.

I remember the things that used to scare and unsettle me when I was child and I was very streetwise. I can’t contemplate how seeing an exhibition like this one would have affected me.

Anyone who thinks this is OK needs to read the CPS guidelines before they do anything else;

Context and circumstances of child sexual abuse
www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/child-sexual-abuse-guidelines-prosecuting-cases-child-sexual-abuse#a04

Just looked at the hayward gallery's twitter and a lot of the tweets from earlier questioning why it doesn't have an age rating are being deleted. What the fuck? They're not engaging at all, and silencing anyone who questions. How can this be happening?

No, no, no, no, no!!!

It's sexual grooming. No ifs. No buts. No maybes. Ask me how I know. This is wholly unacceptable. A HUGE breach of child safeguarding. Any adult presenting a child with this would be commiting child abuse.

Watching the news, reading these threads, and engaging in online media, it's become apparent to me that gaslighting and grooming of children has become mainstream, societal. Naive parents are being co-opted into sexually priming their children under the umbrella of ' being inclusive to alternative life styles' and 'supporting their children's sexual choices' question why your 5, 7 or 11 year old says they are trans, or 'pansexual', and you will be made to feel like a tyrannical even abusive parent. Where do they get the ideas from. Not from one person necessarily from the net from the media which now increasingly inculcates values to children instead of parents themselves.

Reading this stuff I regret having children. The western world at least is going to hell. The extreme Wokeness and the inevitable clashes it will and is already bringing, is going to end centuries of progress.

It is diabolical to think that this could be happening not during an era ignorant of the need for children to have an age of consent, but during one that professes to understand the need for children to have sexual boundaries.

But I will say that this is the eventual end point of a society that mocks people who complain at the thin edge of wedge (a film or advert with slightly adult material, a popular song marketed to children with adult sexual lyrics and videos, these same celebrities recruited in disney films) and talks about how prudish and iliberal they are. Anyone who speaks out about this stuff is ridiculed. Well here's the deserts.

It won't stop here.

I'm so angry.

It needs the Daily Mail to do a story.
I actually think it does need reporting to the police.

Gosh Vulpine - I was coming on to post that art is often edgy and uncomfortable and perhaps there’s a bit too much outrage here as most schools WON’T be attending and the “free workshops” stuff is standard T&Cs (although the pack of age rrestruction is a real worry and I would suspect an agenda in that) but I’m really shocked you could defend that photo being shown to children.

Don’t show porn to children is so obvious it shouldn’t need saying. Black lace glove caressing erect penis = porn. On anyone’s watch.