To think that inviting primary children to witness erect penises, gang rape references and spikes up mens arses isn't artistic, it's pedophilia?

[ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun]

This art exhibition is being pushed by Gendered Intelligence, a group that works in schools:

www.transgendertrend.com/gendered-intelligence-training-teachers-kiss-my-genders/

The event is not age restricted, in fact children are being actively encouraged to go.

I have been informed by a very 'woke' friend that this is art and I am homophobic, kink shaming, and transphobic (because apparently even linking to the above website on my FB is, no matter what it says) and that maybe I should go with my own primary aged dc to 'broaden my mind'.

My mind has been broadened. That friend obviously shouldn't be let anywhere near my dc again.

AIBU?

• Opening post edited at OP's request

They've now changed the wording on the ticket pricing page

Primary schools ages 4 – 11: Due to the 13+ age recommendation, this exhibition may not be suitable for primary schools and some secondary school pupils. Teachers should visit the exhibition in advance to check the suitability for their students.

www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/exhibitions/hayward-gallery-art/kiss-my-genders#484541

They say "may not be suitable..." So they still think it 'may' be suitable for primary age children.

So they still think it 'may' be suitable for primary age children

Well of course. Kink is for anybody

Sneaky bastards! On hand happy that there is some age rating now, though not nearly high enough imo. Should be adults only.

In other news, I've fallen into a twitter black hole that I can't climb out of.

Just saw that an NSPCC evaluation officer is confirmed to be a follower of the paedophile organisation.

It’s insanity.
My kids who go to the local catholic school don’t receive any sex education at all and yet there are other kids being pushed to learn about that nonsense!!!!
Prioritise normal sex education in all state schools before pushing for some kids to be taught that transgender rubbish

Just saw that an NSPCC evaluation officer is confirmed to be a follower of the paedophile organisation.

Ummmmmmm...you what now?

They’ll have accessed funding on the basis of “community engagement”; “youth engagement”; and “education”.

That’s why they’ll find it hard to back pedal...

Thanks for your posts old crone and summerofresistance Very interesting if disturbing reading.

I'm even more troubled though by people who refuse to see what is in front of their eyes. Some people suggesting it's only aimed at teens or for teachers who teach the teens and under 12s.

So that's alright then

WTactualFuck does it matter that the children going are 13+? This is the sort of thing that does my head in. So because the 'rules' allow it it must by extension be ok?

It's like parents who get the Parental Advisory rating on a film that features graphic violence and sex and go 'Oh they (whoever 'they' are) say it's legal, so I'll bring my 4 year old in' because legal automatically = appropriate, good and free from harm.

It isn't suitable for children full stop. Question: do you think it is any less sexual abuse or devastating if a child abuser starts grooming his victim at 13? 14? 15?

You start transgressing what is appropriate for young teens, then you can eventually access and mould the minds and bodies of younger children and even involve them in the process of recruiting.

From experience Paedophiles and child abusers often gaslight their victims with just this rhetoric. "you were x age, you knew what you were doing... you turned me on..you wanted it" or "you are x age you are not a child" especially if the abuse extends into early adulthood and even beyond.

Just saw that an NSPCC evaluation officer is confirmed to be a follower of the paedophile organisation.

Can someone please explain this?

They’ll have accessed funding on the basis of “community engagement”; “youth engagement”; and “education”.

That’s why they’ll find it hard to back pedal.

I see. Makes sense.

Isn't it illegal to show porn to under 18s? How is the lack of 18+ age restriction even lawful here?

They’ll have accessed funding on the basis of “community engagement”; “youth engagement”; and “education”.

Awks.

Just saw that an NSPCC evaluation officer is confirmed to be a follower of the paedophile organisation.

twitter.com/BRHaunton/status/1139980636813484037?s=19

It’s like following a bread crumb trail and suddenly there are pedophiles everywhere!!

I guess he could argue that he followed them to see what they're posting? I've followed certain rabid people on twitter because I wanted to see what they were up to. So it could be part of his job, keeping an eye on iffy organisations.

Maybe.

But his tweet history is a little 'iffy'.

Going on about how following 'evidence based practices'(a phrase used by the paedophile org often) makes him a lone wolf. Also that the phrase 'child sexual exploitation' is no longer useful (and he seems to always put 'child abuse' in quotation marks). Also something on there about how young children who didn't turn up to intervention sessions might still be 'feeling the love' for their councillor.

I mean, obviously that's not proof of anything. It just seems a little off.

Wouldn't he have at least attempted to hide his role at the NSPCC if he was merely keeping track on them? And wouldn't he have been careful not to parrot their 'evidence based' approach that everyone else appears to frown on?

Or maybe I just nees to have a glass of wine and a lie down.

Just signed up to twitter today, and the things I've seen have left me paranoid and neurotic. Maybe I'm reading too much in to it.

I have enormous empathy for transgender people. I really do. But it has become highly fashionable and politically correct at the moment to 'educate' people about it. My concern with this is that, when something is pushed unnecessarily, then people, through fear, will push back against it. I don't think that the issue should be raised with young children and their parents unless there is a specific need. I think that the backlash hysteria can cause genuine problems for those who are suffering with gender issues and wish to simply be treated fairly and with empathy. We should be teaching kids, first and foremost about respecting differences and showing kindness. That should be the focus. As an aside though, and playing devil's advocate... Much classical art by the masters shows seduction, nudity, betrayal, threesomes and violence. Yet we are conditioned to see it as acceptable and the subject matter barely registers when secure it.

Worryingly though, I did read a MN thread this week about a teenager who declared to her parents that she was 'pan gender'. I new term for me. Apparently lots of other parents had encountered the term and their kids felt that it was a really trendy good thing to be. That's the thing with some of these issues. Kids are just too young to understand and react immaturely to it. They were banding the term around as though they were part of a trendy subset, such as goths, or the equivalent, in our day. This minimises the suffering of those genuine cases.

Having now gone away and looked at the exhibition content, I'm considerably less concerned. It's the usual modern art tosh. It's not as overtly sexualised as I had expected. It, is however, so obscure and strange, that any potential messages about gender, would be completely lost on most of the population, let alone teenagers. I think that the whole 'what is gender; the role of individual freedom v public morality; the interaction between religion and the law and the history of social change etc' is a fascinating debate and would be suited to A-level students. I studied it as part of my degree at university and it really challenged my thinking. It was probably the most educational and useful thing that I have ever been taught.

Am laughing my head off at this one. It's actually made me want to go to see the exhibition now!

Yes I looked at the reviews and some of the content earlier and I'd be interested in seeing it. I did also note in the article in the OP that it was stated there are 'parental advisory' warnings. It just seemed poorly advertised on the gallery's website.

Hmmm.

I see Prostasia are tweeting the ‘evidence ‘ that cartoon sexual violence has no influence in promoting real violence “our participants told us that they wanted to understand more about whether cartoon pornography contributes towards sexual violence. Here's some of what scientists know—and what they still don't know. The short answer: there no evidence of a link.”

Lucky that, given the proclivity amongst the MAP /NOMAP networks for Manga, Anime, Lolliporn etc.

If an NSPCC worker has suspect tweets, then contact the NSPCC. You don't have to do it nastily. Safeguarding children though is everyone's business, so it is reasonable to contact the NSPCC and say - just thought I should let you know about these tweets, they seem off because of x, y and z.

Given that the nspcc seem to be fine with one of their employees wanking in the workplace toilet in their rubber gear, I don't think they'll be bothered about a few dodgy tweets.

Worryingly though, I did read a MN thread this week about a teenager who declared to her parents that she was 'pan gender'. I new term for me. Apparently lots of other parents had encountered the term and their kids felt that it was a really trendy good thing to be. That's the thing with some of these issues. Kids are just too young to understand and react immaturely to it. They were banding the term around as though they were part of a trendy subset, such as goths, or the equivalent, in our day. This minimises the suffering of those genuine cases.

The umbrella movement is hugely appropriating. Of women, of LGB, of intersex, I believe of people with autism and of I suppose genuine rare cases of extreme gender dysphoria.