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Chuka Umunna is a Labour supporter, no he's for Change UK, no he's now a LibDem

149 replies

longwayoff · 13/06/2019 22:12

Apparently. Nothing like having a firm set of beliefs and principles.

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Zipee · 14/06/2019 19:55

Yes linking to data that is over 2 years old and pre dates the election of that year is a good baramoter if current support.

BrianniStew · 14/06/2019 20:06

I've already acknowledged that I made an error.

That said, I'd be surprised if his support has increased since then. However, I'm struggling to find more contemporary polling of the membership.

birdsdestiny · 14/06/2019 20:07

Currently Brexit party in the lead with Lib dems second.

Zipee · 14/06/2019 20:10

I'd have thought as Corbyn was far more successful at the election in 2017 that he would be mote popular than that data shows

BrianniStew · 14/06/2019 20:11

I think you're talking about GE polling, not polling of Labour Party members on whether they approve of Corbyn.

Accoding to YouGov poll, 41% of Labour members voted for other parties in the European elections. That hardly suggests 'massive support' among members for Corbyn, but I'd still like to see his approval rating.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/05/30/if-everyone-revealed-how-they-voted-last-week-labo

BrianniStew · 14/06/2019 20:13

(My reply was to birdsdestiny, but that 40% of Labours own members recently voted for other parties is likely relevant to Zipee's post)

Zipee · 14/06/2019 20:15

You don't think a successful GE campaign would hsve improved his standing with the party membership. I'm not confusing anything.

Patroclus · 14/06/2019 20:20

People who went to university with him say he decided which party to go into by who was on the up at the time. For whatever reason he wasnt leader of Change, so hes got his eye on the lib dems top job now.

sakura06 · 14/06/2019 20:41

All the TIG/Change UK people should've joined the Lib Dems in the first place. Their beliefs tally closely with Lib Dem policies.

BrianniStew · 14/06/2019 20:48

I was replying to birdsdestiny, not you.

I have now found one poll of Labour Members from January 2019, (carried out by YouGov for the ESRC Members Project). It has Corbyn's approval among members at 65%.

esrcpartymembersproject.org/2019/01/02/love-corbyn-hate-brexit/

It's a 15% drop in support from March 2018.

I imagine it's dropped still since that, given the polling on how many Labour members voted for another party in the EU elections.

I'd imagine Labour's dismal performance in recent GE polling might cause a drop in support too.

Zipee · 14/06/2019 20:52

So 65 percent isn't a large majority?

Winning in Peterborough against all predictions might make a difference too.

BrianniStew · 14/06/2019 21:11

65% is a considerable majority, but a dip in 15% over 9 months is not a good sign. That 41% of members voted for other parties last month is also highly indicative of a further drop in support.

PollyEthel · 14/06/2019 21:26

@Doobigetta, we aren't in Sheffield, but have friends there. I understood completely the opposite to that - where have you heard it?

BrianniStew · 14/06/2019 21:28

Also worth noting that there has been a 10% drop in Labour Party membership since the last election, likely attributable to Corbyn and his Brexit stance.

So there's falling membership numbers and falling approval amongst those sticking around.

LadyRannaldini · 14/06/2019 21:34

When the music stops..................

birdsdestiny · 15/06/2019 08:13

Yes I know Brianna, I was talking about the electorate as a whole, it demonstrates the problems faced by the Labour party and shows chukas decision may have been a wise one in terms of keeping a seat. It's possible chuka is only thinking of his career but I think the main reason is he puts the Brexit debate above everything. I know people on this thread say his move makes sense because it's a centrist party and he is centre left but that's not what being a lib dem is. It's a particular ideology and I wonder how he will fit in once we finally move on from the Brexit debate.

Doobigetta · 15/06/2019 10:40

@PollyEthel I’m very close to someone who is very involved in the local party. The candidate was very popular at first but is lacking in interpersonal skills and has upset a lot of people. I get the impression she’s quite intimidating, although I haven’t met her myself. She’s also woke to the max and shuts down any questions about trans issues with accusations of bigotry.

BeanBag7 · 15/06/2019 10:48

Surely it makes sense to align with a party whose policies you most agree with. This makes much more sense to me than "toeing the party line" and agreeing with everything the party says even if you personally disagree. If the party is doing something you dont like, dont think is in the interests of the country or your constituents, you shouldn't stay with that party.

PollyEthel · 15/06/2019 22:35

@Doobigetta, many thanks. I suppose being woke and a Lib Dem often goes hand in hand at the moment.

gettingtherequickly · 15/06/2019 23:21

If you're referring to Angela Smith when you talk about a sheffield MP, I imagine some people do find her intimating, she's a very stong, principled woman.
I'm happy to support her at the moment, but will check on some issues raised on this thread.

gettingtherequickly · 15/06/2019 23:22

Intimidating apologies

NCforthis2019 · 15/06/2019 23:25

He’s just a bellend. 😂

Lifeover · 15/06/2019 23:29

I’ve thought the man was and ego centric careerist for years. Seems I was right

Doobigetta · 16/06/2019 11:20

No, not an MP and not Angela Smith, I don’t know anything about her. I was referring to the parliamentary candidate for Sheffield Hallam. I think her name is Laura Gordon.
And I agree that many people describe women as intimidating just because they are assertive, authoritative, confident etc, and that is their problem, not that of the woman in question. But I was using it as a polite way of describing high handed and bullying behaviour towards reasonably elderly volunteers whose help you need to get elected. And in my opinion that is at best rude, unkind and short-sighted.

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