Chuka Umunna is a Labour supporter, no he's for Change UK, no he's now a LibDem

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Apparently. Nothing like having a firm set of beliefs and principles.

His withdrawal from the Labour leadership was a bit mysterious, he obviously missed out on Change UK's leadership and now he's joined another party that has a leadership vacancy - hmm, what could possibly be the connection here hmm

I heard from someone in the know there were death threats at the time he stood for the Labour leadership and there was an unbelievable intrusion into the lives of his then girlfriend’s (now his wife) family. Heidi Allen was made the Change leader because she was basically guaranteed to keep her seat; I don’t think CU “missed out” on it.

I love Chuka. He's very good looking.

Christ on a fucking bike.

Rory Stewart is not a lib dem . Just because someone is not hard right or hard left does not mean that they are a libdem. It's a very specific thing being a liberal, it doesnt just mean being in the centre.

Agree. Like Ken Clarke is not a lib dem. I like him though, think im probably a one nation tory these days.

Rory Stewart is not a lib dem grin

He’s not! He’s neither a Liberal nor a Social Democrat; he’s a one nation Tory. As is, say, Ken Clarke. It’s a sign of just how far the Conservative Party has shifted to the right (same with CU and the Labour lurch to the far left - politics is now about extremes).

Cross post with Fibbke

God almighty. If Umunna was motivated by career considerations he would have done what the despicable Starmer has done ie. use his intellect to provide a front for the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the Corbyn leadership while quietly keeping his own ambitions warm.

Chuka supports Chuka. He'll go wherever Chuka can get power.

And Labour's policies are not far left! Good education standards, equality of opportunity and free healthcare are characteristics of democratic socialism.

llama yes! Thought it was just me that thought that about Starmer

I was really hoping that Change UK would be the new centre ground remain party, and would gradually sweep up the best of all the other parties. It’s so disappointing that it looks to have failed.

I like him. He’s a Remain supporter first and foremost, we need some of them right now to represent the pesky 48%.

Op are you similarly judgemental when Tory MPs flock to UKIP and now Brexit Party?

Brexit has pretty much destroyed party politics as we know it. In fact it is so divisive it hard to see how it can be solved

Quite what will happen with the leadership of the Conservatives but I cannot imagine that they wont try for a vote of no confidence and it will be interesting to see how that goes - party lines or brexit lines!

Vince Cable I suspect resigned and therefore allowed the Lib Dems to vote for a leader (which is well underway he cant just join now voting has already started in the membership) so they are well placed to fight a general election

and then god knows what will happen!

I was really hoping that Change UK would be the new centre ground remain party, and would gradually sweep up the best of all the other parties. It’s so disappointing that it looks to have failed.

What's wrong with the Lib Dems doing that (apart from the "new" bit - although they have changed their stance on EU - at one point in the not distant past they were promising a referendum).

Changing party twice didn't do Winston Churchill much harm.

Changing party twice didn't do Winston Churchill much harm.
Until 1945

It’s not just you Fibbke.
Very disappointed in Starmer who was quite a brave DPP. Taking on the elephant in the room that is rape conviction rates was pretty brave. But he appears to have become as big a scumbag as those around him.

The Attlee government didn’t last long, Churchill was back again in 1951 when this disloyal electorate had won the welfare state.

I don't see it as politics being destroyed. Politicians need to be able to shift focus, beyond the constraints of 'The Party Line'.

From now on, I think politicians will become more like the servants they are supposed to be. Pick an issue, and go where it leads you. If they hitch their wagon to the old ways of protecting the party at all costs, they go down with that ship.
They will actually need to listen to the people, and act according to their wishes for once.

We need PR now.

Changing party twice didn't do Winston Churchill much harm.
Until 1945

He was Conservative and crossed the floor to Liberal Party then back to Conservatives.

1945 election was won by the Labour party.

He was also Prime minter again in when conservatives won General Election of 195.

I think it was his parties polices in 1945 rather than him crossing the floor to the Liberal party in his earlier political career that meant his party didn't do well ( and possibly his war time radio broad casts not the subsequently recorded ones he made and we know today where he slurred his words and came across as drunk - that's what people who wrote and took notes at the time said.)

We could have a referendum on it. That always works well.

He was also Prime minter again in when conservatives won General Election of 1951.

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The 1945 election win was based on all the goodies Attlee promised a population ground down by six years of war, preceded by a depression. It would have been miraculous if Labour hadn’t won.

What's wrong with the Lib Dems doing that

For me personally, they are toxic because of their uncritical jumping on the trans rights bandwagon and wholesale indifference to the impact on women’s rights.
For many others they are toxic because of the whole tuition fees debacle. I don’t think that’s fair, but it isn’t going away.
Either way I think the brand is permanently tainted, which I think is the reason centrist Labour and Conservative MPs are not joining them en masse. They need to start again, not try and revive the LibDems for the 20th time. They also need new blood, the people running the party are useless, delusional idiots.