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Reach for the stars, sun, moon or Mars. Trump thread 94

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lionheart · 07/06/2019 22:27

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-07/trump-s-tariffs-have-wiped-out-most-families-tax-cut-gains

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Whosorrynow · 19/06/2019 12:29

Not only are the rallies boring also his sermons are delivered in that weird breathy scathing drawl😕

Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 19/06/2019 12:36

Good god. Awful if true.
twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/1141154299826855936

PerkingFaintly · 19/06/2019 13:07

Oh god, Sleipnirthewonderhorse.

If that's true, that can't be ignored.

PerkingFaintly · 19/06/2019 13:13

Start of that thread.

Jonathan M. Katz ✍🏻
@KatzOnEarth
There are an incredible number of lies people are trying to sell today to get people to look away from Trump's concentration camps. Let's dispense with one of the big ones: the idea that they can't be camps because the conditions inside are fine.

That's a lie. People are dying.

Jonathan M. Katz ✍🏻
@KatzOnEarth
You need cattle cars to fit your definition? How about this IG report from May that found detainees are packed so tightly into rooms that they have to stand on toilets to breathe.

One cell with a capacity of 8 held 41 detainees.
A cell built for 35 held 155.

Jonathan M. Katz ✍🏻
@KatzOnEarth
And these aren't temporary conditions. People are being kept in conditions where they can't sit down for WEEKS.

Full report here: www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Mga/2019/oig-19-46-may19-mgmtalert.pdf

PerkingFaintly · 19/06/2019 13:16

OK, this is the DHS's own report, linked above:

Management Alert - DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding Among Single Adults at El Paso Del Norte Processing Center
www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Mga/2019/oig-19-46-may19-mgmtalert.pdf

PDT’s seven general cells and three small isolation cells are unable to accommodate the number of detainees currently being held at the processing facility within TEDS standards. Further limiting available space is the need to separate detainees with infectious diseases, such as chicken pox, scabies, and influenza, from each other and from the general population.

Border Patrol agents told us some of the detainees had been held in standing-room-only conditions for days or weeks. According to Border Patrol’s custody logs, there were 756 detainees on site when we visited PDT on May 7, 2019. Of those, 502 detainees (66 percent) had been held at PDT for longer than 72 hours, with 33 detainees (4 percent) held there for more than two weeks. On May 8, 2019, we returned to PDT for another unannounced spot inspection and observed that some family units and adult females had been transferred, but overall numbers were even higher as additional detainees had arrived for processing. According to Border Patrol staff, on May 8, 2019, the total number on site was approximately 900.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/06/2019 13:38

I think that it might be very important to start replacing the words "refugees" and "immigrants" and "detainees" and the like with the word "people" in every report about the conditions in which they are being incarcerated and in which they are suffering. It's too easy to think "not like me" about a refugee/immigrant/detainee; harder about a person.

AcrossthePond55 · 19/06/2019 15:01

A breath of fresh air.....and the truth

www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/editorials/os-op-sentinel-not-endorsing-donald-trump-2020-20190618-63ya7cyb5ngf3irllodwxnznui-story.html

The rising theme for sensible voters seems to be "Any Sentient Being but Trump 2020".

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/06/2019 16:02

Dammit they won't let me see that in Europe! I could use a breath of fresh air after sniffing at the sewer that is Trump and his buddies on the "invasion" from the south.

Tuktuktaker · 19/06/2019 18:20

Here's an opinion article about the Orlando Sentinel editorial from the Washington Post, AskingQuestionsAllTheTime, which you might be able to see? www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/18/no-trump-please-orlando-sentinel-gets-jump-endorsements/?tid=ss_mail&utm_term=.fc9c59867ac2

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/06/2019 19:40

Yes! Thank you! That has cheered me up.

lionheart · 19/06/2019 22:20

www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/hope-hicks-testimony-trump-oversight-1368164

'House Democrats erupted Wednesday at what they said was the White House’s repeated interference in their interview with Hope Hicks, a longtime confidante of President Donald Trump who was a central witness in special counsel Robert Mueller’s obstruction of justice investigation.

Several House Judiciary Committee members exiting the closed-door interview said a White House lawyer repeatedly claimed Hicks had blanket immunity from discussing her time in the White House. They said she wouldn’t answer questions as basic as where she sat in the West Wing or whether she told the truth to Mueller.'

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TheClaws · 20/06/2019 01:35

I genuinely believe Trump supporters just don’t think that deeply. They listen for keywords and phrases: Lock her up. Make America Great Again. This is your win. It is down to you. You make America what it is today. This is where Trump is clever; he focuses not on himself but on the people at the rally, so each and every one feels he is taking on their burden and fighting for them. If that.person thought for a bit, and perhaps watched channels other than Fox, they might recognise that isn’t the case.

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Brian Klaas
@brianklaas
This will be a good video to show people in 50 or 100 years when Americans wonder how much cognitive dissonance, hypocrisy, and lack of self-awareness was required to be a diehard Trump supporter.

Aaron Rupar @atrupar
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Here's Donald Trump Jr mocking Joe Biden last night for vowing to try to cure cancer ... followed by President Trump promising hours later, at the same rally, to cure cancer, AIDS, and "lay the foundation" for a Mars landing -- all in his second term

lionheart · 20/06/2019 06:56

One less star to reach.

<a class="break-all" href="https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/400656-west-hollywood-city-council-votes-to-have-trumps-walk-of-fame?amp#click=t.co/DF53fOxshK" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/400656-west-hollywood-city-council-votes-to-have-trumps-walk-of-fame?amp#click=t.co/DF53fOxshK

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Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 20/06/2019 07:58

The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a settlement agreement that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities.
All three judges appeared incredulous during the hearing in San Francisco

www.courthousenews.com/feds-tell-9th-circuit-detained-kids-safe-and-sanitary-without-soap/

Whosorrynow · 20/06/2019 10:37

This is horrifying, people are being treated as if they are livestock

lionheart · 20/06/2019 12:13

Yes. Sad

www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06/trump-epa-affordable-clean-energy-rule

'“We’re on the right side of history,” the administration said as it finalized a plan to let the coal industry regulate itself.'

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cozietoesie · 20/06/2019 16:24

Mr Colbert has the floor.

cozietoesie · 20/06/2019 16:26

Oops.

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/06/2019 16:43

On a lighter note, I am still fond of the wall round Trump:
edition.cnn.com/2016/07/20/politics/donald-trump-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star/index.html

cozietoesie · 20/06/2019 17:42

Live House Judiciary.

lionheart · 20/06/2019 18:35

If only ...

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cozietoesie · 20/06/2019 19:47

Where's Mattis?

lionheart · 20/06/2019 22:06

Gone to ground.

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