to hate impossible (to prove) rape statistics?

[theman]

i mean they are just lazy.
the amount of reports and arguments regarding the topic i have heard over the year which involves people repeating them as "fact" just pisses me off beyond belief.
the two most common (or variant of the two) are.

35% of rapes go unreported. (how can you know this if they are not reported?)

70 % of rapists go free from court ( if they are found innocent in a court of law how can you call them a rapist)

it is more the reactioni get when i pull someone up on these facts and figures that annoys me.they act as though by not accepting their figures i am pro rape, when it is quite the opposite, i think lazy figures like this trivialise the matter and lead to skewed opinions.

(sorry was just giving a criminal lecture and a student used one of these figures in a point she made and the whole class looked at me like i'd shot their dogs.)

theman - "women going out getting hammered and sleeping with someone they regret and can't really remember the night before/have a bf/husband they don't want to lose drastically over-report it"

Fucking Idiot

I am one of those statistics that go unreported.

My best friend reported, and he got sent to prison for two years.

That is all I am going to say on this topic.

succinctly put, Pabamello

TheMan - so women who wear short skirts or walk the streets alone are contributing to rape by 'offering opportunity'?

By that reckoning aren't we all 'contributing to opportunity' by virtue of having vaginas?

Bizarre (at best) way of thinking.

2 years?thats sick.
we had a guy over here (ireland) just got three year suspended sentence for breaking into a pensioners house and sexually assaulting here.don't know how the judge justified that one.

Dunno - maybe she had been flaunting herself through her window, therefore 'offering opportunity'?

I think this should be deleted as the OP is spluttering offensive, inacurate, upsetting and Frankly personal (to anyone who has experienced such an attrocity) rubbish, to which he obviously knows nothing about. And its highly worrying that he claims to 'teach' this in some context

smallwhitecat,

He pleaded guilty, and tbh, that is one of the reasons I will never go through the system.

I've suffered years with it, and it is only in the past year I have been able to deal with it and I'm not going through those feelings again just for a couple of years.

we all know there are 'lies, damn lies and statistics'

if you were a woman, who met a man in a bar, had a couple of drinks with him, wearing an outfit that a defence barrister would deem provocative, and you were raped....

how much strength and courage would you need to go to the police, have an internal examination, start proceedings, have every detail of your personal and sexual life gone through in court, in front of the man who raped you...

in the hope you get a non chauvinist judge who wouldn;t skew his summing up to make you sound like you were asking for it....

would you ?

theman...you know not from where you speak

so , don;t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out

this is further perpetuation of the misogny that stops women reporting it and getting convictions and decent sentences when they do

"Dunno - maybe she had been flaunting herself through her window, therefore 'offering opportunity'?"

sorry but by referring to my post are you actually claiming that you would encourage women to walk home alone from town drunk after a nightclub?

I think this thread shouldn't be deleted. Someone expressed an asinine idea, and MN responded ...

Why are you looking to place responsibility for rape on anyone but the rapists shoulders?

Really, ask yourself that question, why do YOU feel the need to find other contributing factors?

So, theman, what should women do? Wear a burka? Not go out? Not drink?

Look, I think some behaviours are unwise - going into a dodgy area and flashing a giant wodge of cash around, late at night, might be not very sensible. But is it that person's fault if they get mugged? No.

totally agree JV

I agree NQC

No I wouldn't encourage a drunk woman to wlak home alone form a nightclub because she is likely to fall and break her ankle. If you are concerned that so many many men lurk on street corners at turning out time waiting to prey on drunk young women, perhaps your energy would be better served campaigning for a male curfew.

And as you probably realise, we all know you are not a lecturer, this subject was not brought up by one of your non-existent students....

I am not offended by this thread - if anything I think it is good to hear hackneyed opinions being spouted by the ill informed and be able to disagree......

I think one of the ways in which unreported rapes are researched is when a known rapist is brougnt to book, and they start checking back and women come out of the woodwork and say 'yes, he did xyz to me two/twzlve/twenty years ago but I could not come forward because I was too afraid to do so"

As Aloha said, look at Huntley and what was dug up about him

Ditto West

Ditto Alice Sebalds rapist

And here i rest my case....this is exactly why the British crime survey exists, because thousands of women do not report they have been raped for fear of being disbelieved or it being suggested that they somehow deserved it. AAAAhhhh this arguement is doing my poor head in,

"So, theman, what should women do? Wear a burka? Not go out? Not drink?

Look, I think some behaviours are unwise - going into a dodgy area and flashing a giant wodge of cash around, late at night, might be not very sensible. But is it that person's fault if they get mugged? No."

sorry did you even read my post? i made a point of stressing that it was not womens fault if they got raped much the same as it is not your fault if you leave your house door wide open and get robbed. i was merely saying that i can't believe the amount of women who do walk home from drunk from nightclubs through towns and put themselves at risk.

"And as you probably realise, we all know you are not a lecturer, this subject was not brought up by one of your non-existent students."

better return last months pay cheque co.

there is no way in hell theman is a lecturer on this subject....totally ill informed...probably here just to wind us up

And just for the record, although i completely understand why some want this deleted, i really hope it stays,

It stands as a great testament to the many fools out their who go around flaunting misleading clap-trap they've read in some rag, try and pass it off as fact and end up getting completely contradicted by many, many, many more people who KNOW the truth and show up the ignoramus OP for the fool he is.

He may well be a lecturer on the subject.

He has never been subjected to the rape trial process.

Huge difference.

i would be happy to talk to a group of students about what it is like to go through this process......