To think these people are pro choice not pro life

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I've heard a few people say that they are 'pro life' because they personally couldn't go through with an abortion but they don't judge others who have.

AIBU to say that these people are in fact pro choice then given that they do not judge other women for their choice to have an abortion?

If they had a choice to make it illegal and they would then no they're not pro choice they just dont want to be judgemental of people who do.

Pro-life: How can you say you would / wouldn’t do something until you’re in the bloody situation.
Drives me potty.
Let’s see how someone feels if they are told their baby will not survive either until birth or shortly after. How will they feel if the pregnancy is through rape. Or if their pregnancy leaves them extremely vulnerable to serious illness or even death, leaving their partner and existing children potentially motherless.
It is pro-choice to say you support the CHOICE of the individual.
Whilst there are probably some who no matter what, would not go through with a termination, I believe most, if faced with a situation such as above, would choose to.
Just a theory but one cannot be sure of their reaction until put into the situation.
The hope being of course, that none of us would find ourselves facing those decisions.
But for those that do, it is not up to anyway to make that decision for them. Nor is it up to some wannabe morally superior arsehole to say “oh well I wouldn’t do it”.
Bore off

I think of pro choice as meaning they think it's ok for others to have abortions sometimes, but so I would agree with OP. However I too have heard what a pp said about some say pro choice is only if you are think abortion is fine in absolutely any circumstance (no matter how far along doing it just because to are expecting a bit and you wanted a girl, never bother with contraception just get an abortion if needed etc). I reckon most people fall in between the extreme pro life and pro choice beliefs. There are circumstances I think it morally questionable to get an abortion (wrong sex or not bothering with contraception, but then the mistake is the conception not the abortion) but I always think it's best for the option to be there and women shouldn't have to carry and give birth to an unwanted child.

I’m an personally pro life and in an ideal world there would be no need for abortions, every life is valuable and precious. Abortions go against everything I believe in. However I take the pro choice stance as much as I disagree with it because it’s not my right to dictate what others do. I have no idea what the circumstances are and I won’t judge someone for making that decision. They’re the ones who know what’s right for them and it’s not a decision someone makes lightly. Banning them will only cause more issues and deaths than anything else and women shouldn’t have that restriction placed on them. It is their body it is their choice.

I consider myself pro-choice. I have fortunately never been in a position to consider abortion so I don't honestly know what I would do depending on the circumstances I am could be faced with.
I do however believe in and would strongly defend another woman's right to choose what happens in her body.
I feel the phrase as soon as possible, as late as necessary, for any reason. Sums it up quite well.

@HerSymphonyAndSong

Well if you believe a women say 33 weeks pregnant with a perfectly healthy baby, decides she doesn't want it ( however rare outlandish that may sound) and wants in terminated is ok.If you believe that, then I'm happy to put you in the nutter category.

“I feel the phrase as soon as possible, as late as necessary, for any reason.”

Except it depends on what you deem as ‘necessary’. There have been several discussions about this over the years and some people think that it’s ‘necessary’ that a woman be able to decide to terminate at term for any reason even if the baby could be born healthy and survive without intervention. Personally, I don’t agree that is ‘necessary’ in any way.

It’s between her and her doctors. Not for me to decide. I can only say what I would do in a given situation.

Allowing something in law doesn’t mean it’s suddenly going to increase in practice. Who exactly do you think is requesting termination post 24 weeks?

For the person who said earlier that the foetus doesn’t feel pain until after 24 weeks.

[[https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/338146]] is an interesting article about foetal surgery and the use of anaesthesia.

“Whether a fetus is capable of experiencing pain as a conscious and emotional feeling remains unclear and is subject to great debate [67], but we cannot deny that the fetal nervous system mounts protective responses to tissue injury. A physiological fetal reaction to painful stimuli occurs from between 16 and 24 weeks’ gestation on.”

They're "personally pro-life, politically pro-choice". It's not an unusual stance.

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They're "personally pro-life, politically pro-choice". It's not an unusual stance

But being pro choice isn't about what we personally would do. It's about agreeing that it's the woman's choice.

To me, if you're politically pro choice then you're pro choice.

I agree OP. But as with all these things it’s often about wanting to distance yourself from what is still a taboo around abortion. And the anti-choicers love that there is still a taboo

And sometimes it's about making it 100% clear to your gentlemen callers that you wouldn't have a termination in the case of contraception failure.

I find that wise.

I was always in the ‘couldn’t do it myself but don’t judge people who do’ camp. UNTIL, I was in a situation where I was pg to an abusive arsehole, and I knew that keeping that pregnancy would have a hugely detrimental effect on my existing children and my own mental health. Not to mention that financially it would have been pretty much impossible to have another child.

All of a sudden, I could have an abortion after all.

No one has deliberately ending a pregnancy in their life plan, but it’s a very good thing that that choice is available.

@bummbleymummy
There are conflicting studies and a lot of crap & propaganda out there regarding when foetus feel pain. The fact is they’re not developed enough until 24weeks to feel pain.

To everyone who says that abortions are awful & they’re privately prolife do you eat meat? If so why is the importance of a group of cells that aren’t sentient and can’t feel pain (a foetus) more important than a sentient being who can feel pain? (A cow for example)
If y’all are prolife I expect you are all avid vegans yes?

Yes, the key word is choice - because it’s about believing every woman has the choice to do what is best for her, even if that isn’t the choice you’d make yourself.

And as pp have said, banning abortion only stops legal and safe abortions - if a woman desperately doesn’t want to be pregnant she will find a way, often risking injury and death, whereas legal abortion at least it will be safe and medically supervised.

@bumbleymummy

Sorry, I forgot to put most. I have yet to meet or see push for more support of the children already here over the unborn when it comes to most pro-lifers, especially in the US.

I consider myself pro-life. I agree with the morning after pill and possibly very early abortion with the tablets at home, definitely not past the 8/9 week mark.

Am also a vegan to the poster who asked if all pro-lifers are vegan.

It doesn't have to be an either or. There are many liberal areas in life that I don't agree with but I'm very happy to live and let live.

It doesn't have to be an either or

It depends doesn't it? If you're arguing about the legalization of something then it really should be either or. You either think abortion should be illegal or you don't.

I think people people who wouldn't choose an abortion themselves think that makes them pro life when really the argument isn't anything about what we would do personally. It's all about what you expect of others.

I guess you'd define me as pro choice by that definition. I don't think abortion is ever a good thing, but I would never judge another woman for making such a choice.

My DDs are adopted. Their birth mum has had all her children taken into care. Would it have been better for her not to have given birth to her babies? Undoubtedly, although it would have been better still if she and her partner had learned to use contraception properly.

The people who say that they are personally pro-life but don't judge others are pro-choice. Having an abortion is a choice, NOT having an abortion is also a choice. Some people seem to think that being pro-choice means that you are pro-abortion.