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AIBU-ably demanding of my boyfriend? (Long, cultural/communication issues)

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AIBdemanding · 31/05/2019 23:10

The context:
Together almost a year, both mid-20s. I'm from European Country A, we live (separately) in European Country B, he was born and raised in a fairly conservative Muslim-majority non-European country.

Despite not being together for ages, we've discussed our future in the context of getting married and having a family. I understand some will think this is premature, but in the context of our personal ambitions and views on dating, this makes sense.

The problem:
He doesn’t like to feel like he is being told what to do. Not unreasonable, obviously. I have taken this on board, appreciating especially that it might be a cultural issue (in his culture women are supposed to be somewhat deferential. He is not otherwise a misogynist) and adjusted my tone to try and make it very clear that I am asking for things rather than demanding them.

But he’s so hypersensitive about it that it’s gotten to the point where it sometimes doesn’t feel like I’m able to question his actions or ask for things I should be getting anyway. The best example happened yesterday.

We had agreed he would come to my place yesterday evening after breaking fast (he is Muslim, I am not - I am Christian and quite religious so generally we understand each other well, but this has been a bit of a problem during Ramadan, as he only has the energy to meet after breaking fast, so we see each other a couple of times a week, only for a couple of hours in the evening).

About an hour after the fast ends, I texted asking if he was coming. He replied “no, we’ll see each other on Saturday”. I asked why, he said there was no reason. This doesn’t make sense to me, people don’t make decisions without reasons. I pressed for an answer (was he too tired?) but he told me he loved me, everything was fine and there was no reason.

I was annoyed that he had just not shown up, and hadn’t even bothered to cancel the plans, I had had to ask. I expressed this. This culminated in him saying as usual “why do you always insist on things?”. I said I was only insisting on being treated with respect, didn’t I deserve that? He replied no(!!!). I tried to call him several times (admit this was pushy), he wouldn’t take my calls, said he was going to bed.

Early hours of the morning he texted saying he had been very rude and apologising, saying he loved me. I saw the messages in the morning and said thank you, but the apology would mean more if it wasn’t over text. No reply.

In the late afternoon I messaged saying that he had hurt me, I wanted to talk about what had happened, either in person or over the phone. Could he spare half an hour?

No. He will see me tomorrow evening. I said I was hurting and he had the opportunity to help with that now, I didn’t want to wait another day. Even a five minute phone call would do to reassure me a bit. He said “the problem is that I don’t like to talk about problems”. I said the problem wasn’t going to resolve if we didn’t discuss it, I was just going to get more hurt.

No. Stop insisting. He will see me tomorrow and we can talk then.

Am I being unreasonably demanding? Am I doing a bad job getting through to him? Am I too impatient? I freely admit that I am quite ‘tunnel vision’ and have problems forgetting an issue until there’s some closure or understanding.

We have discussed the problems with communication before, and how crucial it is for a relationship. He always agrees to compromise. The problem then reoccurs. If there’s an issue or I seem like I’m asking for something (making demands?) he will often just stop replying to me for a while or refuse to pick up the phone.

It also sometimes feels like he refuses to do things just because I asked, even if it’s “I’m sad we haven’t seen each other very much, can we chat for a few minutes? It’ll make me feel better.” I don’t feel like that’s asking much, but maybe I’m wrong?

Sorry this is so long! Nervous about the replies I’ll receive from AIBU, but I need some outside perspective.

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Northernparent68 · 31/05/2019 23:18

It’s hard to work out what’s going on here, but I’m not sure you are compatible. It sounds like they re a lot of problems.

fc301 · 31/05/2019 23:20

Not UR to expect respect and communication. A bit UR to hound him with calls etc. A bit UR not to respect the impact of Ramadan on his life.

All that said the clear misogyny is a massive red flag. (You are expected to make no demands of him). Ditto cultural differences. Ditto religious differences. I'd be concerned about the long term viability of this relationship.

Basically you are not allowed an equal say in this partnership? Have I read that wrong??

BeanBag7 · 31/05/2019 23:24

It doesnt sound like this relationship will work in the long run. Major differences such as religion or sexual equality beliefs are hard to overcome and it doesnt sound like he plans to try or compromise at all.

GrotchCoblin · 31/05/2019 23:28

He's training you to be compliant.

You get punished by the silent treatment when you question his ultimate authority.

He has outright told you that he doesn't believe you deserve to be treated with respect.

What would you tell your sister our best friend if they were in a relationship like this?

PenguinWings · 31/05/2019 23:32

I don't think that it matters whether his behaviour is cultural or due to his personality- this sounds pretty horrible for you.
It's great to date people from different cultures but don't let the excitement stop you from not noticing things that you wouldn't put up with from someone in your usual culture.

AIBdemanding · 31/05/2019 23:32

@Northernparent68 Sorry, I know it was long-winded! Thanks for replying anyway :)

@fc301 Yes that is how I feel sometimes. 90% of the time all good, our core beliefs are compatible, he respects my intelligence and my job, would never tell me what to wear, I have equal input about where we go on holiday etc. 10% of the time I can't say that I'm upset or being put out, because he'll take it as infringing on his personal autonomy. You're probably right. Thank you :)

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firawla · 31/05/2019 23:35

It’s the last ten days of Ramadan so he might just be wanting to focus on that, go to the mosque etc - depending how religious he is? It could be that he’s not comfy spending these nights together because it’s not “allowed” as a Muslim outside of marriage so that’s hard during Ramadan? Tonight is the 27th night so the most popular one for worship. I’d just wait and see how he is after Eid, it’s only a few more days... it’s hard to know what to advise really, depends if it’s out of character or not for him to be quite dismissive and feel like he just does what he wants and no need to explain himself. If he is like that generally, then maybe like others have said it might be hard for it to work long term?

Pa1oma · 31/05/2019 23:38

I don’t think this is about cultural or religious issues at all OP. I think he sounds very immature, even for a man in his mid-20s. Also he sounds a bit odd..
If he can’t even pick up the phone to speak to you, then I think you need to ask why you are bothering.
My DH is British but of ME origin. There are some differences yes, but whole nations of men are not emotionally defunct and downright rude.
In this situation, I would definitely give him a wide berth. Keep your distance and see what he does. Be very prepared for him to make no effort whatsoever. It could be that he’s not as into you as you are him. I’m sorry, I know that’s not what you would want to here, but you have to protect yourself.
I’m sorry to say, but if you have to do all the running, this relationship will be misery. Don’t give him the excuse of cultural differences. As I said, he sounds odd and a bit cruel tbh. Don’t pander to this. You can do better.

oneforthepain · 31/05/2019 23:39

Sorry, but he is a massive misogynist and this is not a healthy relationship. He is being controlling.

I said I was only insisting on being treated with respect, didn’t I deserve that? He replied no(!!!).

What else is there to say? In all seriousness, his total lack of respect for you is woven throughout his behaviour towards you, some of which is pretty manipulative and all of which is controlling.

A healthy relationship is one in which you are respected, in which you get an equal say, and where you are not being regularly manipulated and controlled. What you're describing isn't healthy.

What you have described is him gradually training you to be more and more compliant, and eroding your sense of reasonable, normal behaviour. Look at how much he's making you question yourself.

A year ago, would you have accepted being told by the person you wanted as your life partner that he didn't consider you deserving of his respect? Why are you accepting that?

It will only get worse. And his background is just being used as an excuse to control you.

If this is how he treats you when you could easily walk away, how do you think he will be when you are tied to him by marriage and/or children? He won't even bother with the faux apologies then.

Www.freedomprogramme.co.uk - take the information they can share with you about what healthy relationships should look like.

XXVaginaAndAUterus · 31/05/2019 23:45

“why do you always insist on things?”. I said I was only insisting on being treated with respect, didn’t I deserve that? He replied no(!!!)

I couldn't be with somebody who was determined to not respect me or who had no plans to overcome his cultural conditioning and treat me equally. Feminists have worked too damn hard for that shit.

He's literally telling you he doesn't respect you. It doesn't get much clearer.

oneforthepain · 31/05/2019 23:45

I can't say that I'm upset or being put out, because he'll take it as infringing on his personal autonomy

You get that having a say in holiday destinations, but being put in a position where you're too afraid of his reaction to assert yourself or challenge his poor behaviour is no kind of trade off?

Deck chairs and the titanic spring to mind.

"Personal autonomy" is just his chosen excuse. It's nonsense. Loving partners want to know if they've caused hurt to the person they care about so they can avoid it happening again and make amends.

tympanic · 31/05/2019 23:52

He sounds like a very poor communicator to me... among other things. But focusing just on his lack of communication skills, unless he’s prepared to work on that and treat you with respect these issues will only worsen. Unresolved problems don’t just go away because he doesn’t like to talk about them. It’s exceptionally childish of him to stick his head in the sand like this. Problems just grow and morph and are compounded by new problems until you have something insurmountable.

If I were you, with the benefit of hindsight having been there before, I’d get out. You’re young, the relationship has been short, the issues aren’t going to go away, you deserve better. Good luck.

alwayslearning789 · 31/05/2019 23:54

Run.

These cultural inclinations run deep and will haunt you and any future kids forever.

He is showing you who he is - listen and get out of it while you can.

category12 · 31/05/2019 23:58

This, my friend, is as good as it will ever be. This is still the courting stage, this is the honeymoon period. If you tie yourself to this man, his expectations of your deference will increase, not ease. This is him on best behaviour, just wait til he's complacent.

Atthebottomofthegarden · 01/06/2019 00:06

Has this been significantly more of a problem during Ramadan? If so, I’d see how he is in a week or two. But otherwise, I would suggest you tread very carefully as it sounds like he is more concerned with his pride than your happiness.

ReanimatedSGB · 01/06/2019 00:07

FFS, run away. Dick is abundant and low value. Do not tie yourself to a man who has been raised and indoctrinated to believe that women are inferior to men - while, unfortunately, lots of men think this way and religious men are more likely to do so (one of the main purposes of religions, specifically the abrahamic ones, was always to provide magic woo reasons why reproduction is really about men and willy power and therefore must be controlled by men: women are basically potting compost) - there are men out there who are capable of viewing women as human and treating a female partner as an equal. This knob has told you he doesn't really respect you and that he requires submission and obedience from you. If you are excited by the idea of being 'mastered' by a man, you'd be better off on the fetish scene, where everyone knows it's a game...

BlueSkiesLies · 01/06/2019 00:09

I’d be an irritable bastard if I had to fast over Ramadan, so I’d probably cut him some slack at the moment.

However he sounds like a misogamist and the ‘cultural differences’ will generally win out and make your life a misery.

You’ve only been together a year. This is the fun bit. It should be easy. If it’s nit, why are you with him?

Halimeda · 01/06/2019 00:28

What Reanimated said. This man is trying to turn you into a compliant, deferential woman from his own country. ‘Culture’ doesn’t make this any more excusable than if he was Sid the Sexist down the local working man’s club — or any more than it renders excusable cutting off women’s clitorises and sewing them up.

AIBdemanding · 01/06/2019 00:34

@GrotchCoblin You've voiced my concerns perfectly. I would tell a friend to run a mile

@firawla and @Atthebottomofthegarden It's been worse during Ramadan, although the problem predates it. I was planning on waiting until after Eid to judge the situation, but wondered if I was being naive. He doesn't go to mosque, but has been spending a lot of time with family members who live here (normal and fair).

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AIBdemanding · 01/06/2019 00:35

@oneforthepain I want to make excuses for him, but I think you are right. Thank you for the link!

@tympanic Thank you for saying this. I feel the same way about putting your head in the sand, wondered if maybe my opinion was unusual. Helpful to know others agree

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DeeCeeCherry · 01/06/2019 00:38

I'd be bored with all that. People and relationships who are hard work just aren't worth it. Life's too short. I'd be off.

AIBdemanding · 01/06/2019 00:39

@BlueSkiesLies I'm still with him because 90% of the time the relationship is great, I feel loved and valued. (Also in all honesty I think I don't want to feel like I wasted my time.) You are right though, 90% is probably not enough

@Halimeda Thank you. I have had problems finding the line between being understanding and not compromising my own principles (bit embarrassed about that!) Those are often the points he refuses to compromise on ... "Things are like X in my country, so when you do Y it feels rude to me. I appreciate things might be different in your country, but this is how I feel." and then he always says "Why do you create problems?"

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WorraLiberty · 01/06/2019 00:41

These cultural inclinations run deep and will haunt you and any future kids forever.

This ^^

They don't always run deep of course but from what you've said, I'd say that's definitely the case here.

I really wouldn't marry this man or have a family with him.

Talking of families, have you met his? Has he met yours?

justilou1 · 01/06/2019 00:43

Ummm, no. That’s not a cultural thing. Western men do this as well. It’s called being an arsehole. It’s abusive behaviour and you don’t need to tolerate it at all. Ever.

AIBdemanding · 01/06/2019 00:51

@WorraLiberty You're very perceptive! He hasn't met my family, we were planning on visiting my home country (not sure why I'm still trying to be mysterious, home country is obviously the UK!) in the summer and he would meet them then. Have told him that I would've expected to meet a British guy's family by now and it bothers me a bit, he says he needs time and the decision "needs to come from him".

Do appreciate there is a stigma against premarital relations in his culture and he feels very awkward discussing things like that with his family. He has told the siblings who live here about me (definitely true as have heard him mention me on the phone etc.) Might usually suspect he isn't serious about me and is biding his time before finding a Muslim girl, but one of his siblings is married to a Christian (non-European, not a visa thing) so interfaith stigma isn't too bad

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