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AIBU-ably demanding of my boyfriend? (Long, cultural/communication issues)

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AIBdemanding · 31/05/2019 23:10

The context:
Together almost a year, both mid-20s. I'm from European Country A, we live (separately) in European Country B, he was born and raised in a fairly conservative Muslim-majority non-European country.

Despite not being together for ages, we've discussed our future in the context of getting married and having a family. I understand some will think this is premature, but in the context of our personal ambitions and views on dating, this makes sense.

The problem:
He doesn’t like to feel like he is being told what to do. Not unreasonable, obviously. I have taken this on board, appreciating especially that it might be a cultural issue (in his culture women are supposed to be somewhat deferential. He is not otherwise a misogynist) and adjusted my tone to try and make it very clear that I am asking for things rather than demanding them.

But he’s so hypersensitive about it that it’s gotten to the point where it sometimes doesn’t feel like I’m able to question his actions or ask for things I should be getting anyway. The best example happened yesterday.

We had agreed he would come to my place yesterday evening after breaking fast (he is Muslim, I am not - I am Christian and quite religious so generally we understand each other well, but this has been a bit of a problem during Ramadan, as he only has the energy to meet after breaking fast, so we see each other a couple of times a week, only for a couple of hours in the evening).

About an hour after the fast ends, I texted asking if he was coming. He replied “no, we’ll see each other on Saturday”. I asked why, he said there was no reason. This doesn’t make sense to me, people don’t make decisions without reasons. I pressed for an answer (was he too tired?) but he told me he loved me, everything was fine and there was no reason.

I was annoyed that he had just not shown up, and hadn’t even bothered to cancel the plans, I had had to ask. I expressed this. This culminated in him saying as usual “why do you always insist on things?”. I said I was only insisting on being treated with respect, didn’t I deserve that? He replied no(!!!). I tried to call him several times (admit this was pushy), he wouldn’t take my calls, said he was going to bed.

Early hours of the morning he texted saying he had been very rude and apologising, saying he loved me. I saw the messages in the morning and said thank you, but the apology would mean more if it wasn’t over text. No reply.

In the late afternoon I messaged saying that he had hurt me, I wanted to talk about what had happened, either in person or over the phone. Could he spare half an hour?

No. He will see me tomorrow evening. I said I was hurting and he had the opportunity to help with that now, I didn’t want to wait another day. Even a five minute phone call would do to reassure me a bit. He said “the problem is that I don’t like to talk about problems”. I said the problem wasn’t going to resolve if we didn’t discuss it, I was just going to get more hurt.

No. Stop insisting. He will see me tomorrow and we can talk then.

Am I being unreasonably demanding? Am I doing a bad job getting through to him? Am I too impatient? I freely admit that I am quite ‘tunnel vision’ and have problems forgetting an issue until there’s some closure or understanding.

We have discussed the problems with communication before, and how crucial it is for a relationship. He always agrees to compromise. The problem then reoccurs. If there’s an issue or I seem like I’m asking for something (making demands?) he will often just stop replying to me for a while or refuse to pick up the phone.

It also sometimes feels like he refuses to do things just because I asked, even if it’s “I’m sad we haven’t seen each other very much, can we chat for a few minutes? It’ll make me feel better.” I don’t feel like that’s asking much, but maybe I’m wrong?

Sorry this is so long! Nervous about the replies I’ll receive from AIBU, but I need some outside perspective.

OP posts:
tympanic · 01/06/2019 00:57

OP, if it’s this bad now it will only get worse. Trust me.

Comments like "Why do you create problems?" when you’re having to ASK to be treated with respect are appalling. Firstly, respect is universal. If you treat him with respect and respect his cultural differences he must do the same. It actually works both ways. Strange, eh. There’s no arguing with that. Secondly, he’s projecting his inadequacies onto you by pretending you’re creating problems. HE’S creating problems and refusing to fix them. Thirdly, people who care about someone actually want to know if they’re upset. Yet your BF lashes out if you try to stand up for yourself.

Just out of curiosity. Does he also tell you you’re over sensitive, acting crazy, hysterical etc.

ReanimatedSGB · 01/06/2019 01:03

Bear in mind that sexism and misogyny are not exclusive to any one culture or myth system. Look at the hideous mess going on in the US at present, driven by rightwing Christians - and don't forget that there are plenty of white, noisily atheist men who also think that women are inferior and need to learn to obey their masters.

It's possible to fall into the trap of thinking that you need to accept/tolerate/make allowances for a man's religion when what he wants is for you to accept/tolerate/make allowances for his dick misogyny. This man is not treating you well and not making you happy: dump and move on.

AIBdemanding · 01/06/2019 01:17

@tympanic You speak a lot of sense. Not those specific words that I recall, he did once tell me I was 'scaring him and he had to leave' when I became upset which was not as caring a reaction as I would've hoped for, I was perhaps a bit overwrought with frustration though. But mostly it's just the ignoring when it suits him, "why do you insist" and "why do you create problems". Not always, mostly he's full of praise, just on the few occasions where there have been problems (really always this same problem reoccurring).

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tympanic · 01/06/2019 01:29

From what you say, OP, there are many problems. And they’re all big ones. They’re also deeply rooted. Telling you you’re scaring him and have to leave is another projection. He’s the bully, not you. He’s trying to convince you you’re being unreasonable (and gone quite a way to achieving it given you’ve come on here to ask people) so you back off, shut your mouth and do what he says.

Honey, please leave. There will be no epiphany on his part. There will be no change. His mask will continue to slip until one day you wake up and realise you’re in an abusive relationship and wonder how on earth you got there.

Passthecherrycoke · 01/06/2019 01:38

I’m surprised at the responses here. I think unfortunately he’s displaying fairly typical end of Ramadan behaviour, he’s tired, snappy and frustrated. It’s not good but not unusual.
If you’ve been together a year is it your first Ramadan? If he’s not usually like this it would make sense

AIBdemanding · 01/06/2019 01:53

@Passthecherrycoke It was a problem before Ramadan, but not nearly to the same extent. Saying he doesn’t respect me in particular is much more extreme than usual. Yes it’s our first Ramadan together and I admit I was very naive about how difficult it would be, previously friends doing Ramadan have seemed normal just very tired. They might cancel plans because they were exhausted but wouldn’t just not turn up. But friendship and a relationship are different so I appreciate I’m probably seeing a fuller picture of things now

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Lydja · 01/06/2019 02:40

Walk away my dear... it’s an abusive relationship, he’s turning the tables around around when issues arise by saying you’re unreasonable, you’re creating problems and you can’t let it go.. where as he doesn’t want to talk about it, he is unable to show you the same respect he’s demanding from you (he literally told you he doesn’t respect you, I would’ve ended it right then and there) you have to adjust to his cultural things whereas he’s in no hurry to do the same for you... you say you compromise or make decisions together like holidays, tell us in all honestly how much of a compromise was it really?? Are you from France/the Netherlands and he’s from Ireland and you meet up in England compromise or do you meet up in Dublin? (Bit of an odd example but there you go.. )

You say he doesn’t tell you what to wear and such, does he ever compliment on your new top or jacket or whatever? Or go shopping with you and what kind of comments does he make when he does??

run For the hills my love he’s never gonna respect you, don’t marry him because he’s going to tell you what to wear and who to see and not to see and where to go and where you can’t go... save yourself before it’s too late!!

Now run, run now!!!

Graphista · 01/06/2019 03:35

Aside from the clear cultural and religious incompatibilities (which honestly I think aren't relevant to your current query they're a red herring - seriously I'd have been very interested in the responses you'd have got if you'd not mentioned these) I'm going to buck the trend of the thread and say you sound like VERY hard work!

So needy and so pushy, if someone was pestering me like you did him I'd have blocked them for peace!!

I don't think this relationship has a future, for many reasons, but I think you need to work on why you're so insecure and expect people to give you responses to communication pretty much immediately! And why you pursue "closure" on relatively minor issues (he didn't fancy coming over & that pissed you off is what it boils down to - he doesn't owe you a reason any more than you'd owe him if it were reversed) so vehemently.

I honestly think you'd benefit from therapy before your next relationship.

I don't think he actually meant he doesn't respect you, I think that was said out of frustration/tiredness.

And anyone who is familiar with my username knows I'm usually for the ltb side of things. But honestly I don't see what he did that was so terrible.

fargo123 · 01/06/2019 03:48

I said I was only insisting on being treated with respect, didn’t I deserve that? He replied no(!!!).

Utterly disgusting and unacceptable.

This guy is a misogynistic piece of shit. Do yourself a favour and dump him like the plague and find someone better.

Reiti · 01/06/2019 04:05

Thing is in Ramadan you're supposed to striving to be the best version of yourself. Manners are as important as the fasting and praying and he's lacking. It really doesn't sound good from what you have posted.

BrioLover · 01/06/2019 04:07

All the religious etc. differences aside, he couldn't be bothered to send you a text to say "I feel exhausted from fasting, can we leave meeting till the weekend". Instead he didn't turn up, even though he knew you'd be waiting up for him, and then made out that you are the problem for expecting a very basic level of respect and communication.

Run.

IamEarthymama · 01/06/2019 04:47

Isn't it hard when you are really attracted to THAT person?

But you know you won't change him or Jim as autocorrect suggests?😊

It should not be this hard, be kind to yourself.
You know this isn't long term is it?

I have been around Muslims over Ramadan this year and they are bloody lovely not nit-picking miserable buggers.

blubblubblub · 01/06/2019 04:53

Putting religion, culture aside, he sounds like a selfish arsehole. You deserve better.

StatelessPrincess · 01/06/2019 05:54

I don't think you said if he's Arab but I'm half Arab and he sounds like a good 50% of Arab men I know. He won't change.
The last ten days of Ramadan are especially important and Ramadan this year has been pretty tough with long fasts. I don't really think that's why he's behaving like this though, I think this is just who he is.
He doesn't sound serious about you. We aren't supposed to have boyfriends/girlfriends in Islam so most people would not even mention one to their parents, unless their parents are not religious, very liberal etc. Most men would wait until they want to get engaged to a woman to introduce her to their family.

TemporaryPermanent · 01/06/2019 06:17

I'm not sure he sounds like a keeper, but I wouldn't try to have any form of serious discussion by text either. Misunderstandings are too easy to have.

CodenameVillanelle · 01/06/2019 06:18

Also in all honesty I think I don't want to feel like I wasted my time

This is NOT a good reason to stay in a relationship. Please don't do this to yourself. You know deep down that this behaviour is a serious warning sign to what life will be like with him. It's been less than a year, don't tie yourself to him for fear of losing that year, when you could lose many many more years in future.
I made the decision to marry my guy based on that thinking. We had one good year of marriage, 3 bad ones and it's taken me 7 years to get over it.

user1480880826 · 01/06/2019 06:45

I totally agree with @GrotchCoblin. He’s controlling you.

Whether this is cultural or religious is not really relevant. The point is, what you expect from each other in a relationship is not compatible. You say you stay with him because 90% of the time things are fine and you get on well. It’s what happens in 19% of the time that’s going to end this relationship. I think you should leave while you still can and you don’t have the complications of children and houses.

AlwaysCheddar · 01/06/2019 06:57

You’re young, it’s still a new relationship, you should be enjoying life and each other, having fun. He’s gone to be a nasty piece of work as he gets older. Get rid.

OKBobble · 01/06/2019 07:03

This is supposed to be the fun part!

It clearly isn't! I would move on now.

His views on women will never change (ie. that their needs or wants are subservient to his otherwise he would not refer to you "insisting").

Seriously in MN terms LTB!

Cheby · 01/06/2019 07:10

He’s fucking rude and he has zero respect for you. Actually he doesn’t sound all that in to you. Run, now, and fast. You’re supposed to be in the easy fun bit. If he’s this much of a dick now, imagine what he would be like if you married him and had no escape?

LikeDolphinsCanSwin · 01/06/2019 07:14

Point yourself in the direction of the hills and run.

Mabelface · 01/06/2019 07:19

You'd be wasting your time if you stay with him. My dear, there are far better men out there. The 10% is huge.

herculepoirot2 · 01/06/2019 07:23

Red flags going up all the over place. He might be a “nice” man with lots of good qualities, but the question is whether you want to have a marriage where you are the subordinate. Yes, in his culture that’s usual, but it isn’t in yours.

LouiseMiltonSpatula · 01/06/2019 07:24

This all sounds way too much like hard work - if he’s going to turn every little thing you ask or say into a problem, how are you ever going to survive as a couple when something genuinely serious happens?

It’s almost impossible to see how a relationship which is this troublesome and sour so early on could lead to a happy marriage.

milkshak3 · 01/06/2019 07:34

any devout Muslim I know made converting over Islam for non-muslim spouse a condition.

even if it doesn't happen, religion means a lot to both of you. I don't think this something doable once children come into the scene. He doesn't sound particularly mature either and there are red flags and you come across somewhat needy.

I cannot see how this could work out as a happy marriage. sometimes it is better to understand that priorities are not compatible and draw the line. hard in the short term but it will save you lots of pain long term.

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